How would you say "make your own language" in Klingon? I.e., with the contrastive sense "don't just look at this Klingon, do some conlanging yourself". Note: I intend to use this commercially, eg to put on a shirt or the like & sell online. I intend to give 30% of net proceeds to the LCS, 30% to the KLI, 20% to whomever helps translate this, & 20% to myself. So, if you respond, please separately respond privately to let me know how/if you'd like to get paid. No deadline, so don't rush. Thanks! Sincerely, Sai Founder, Language Creation Society Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision & autocorrect errors.
On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 11:24, Sai <conlangs@saizai.com> wrote:
How would you say "make your own language" in Klingon? I.e., with the contrastive sense "don't just look at this Klingon, do some conlanging yourself".
Note: I intend to use this commercially, eg to put on a shirt or the like & sell online. I intend to give 30% of net proceeds to the LCS, 30% to the KLI, 20% to whomever helps translate this, & 20% to myself. So, if you respond, please separately respond privately to let me know how/if you'd like to get paid.
I suggest {HollIj tlhIn yI'ogh}: * {Hol} n. language * {-lIj} your * {tlhIn} v. be particular, individual * {yI-} verb prefix for you-it * {'ogh} v. invent, devise An alternative is to use {chenmoH} "cause to take form" rather than {'ogh}. -- De'vID
Am 04.02.2020 um 11:40 schrieb De'vID:
I suggest {HollIj tlhIn yI'ogh}: * {Hol} n. language * {-lIj} your * {tlhIn} v. be particular, individual * {yI-} verb prefix for you-it * {'ogh} v. invent, devise
An alternative is to use {chenmoH} "cause to take form" rather than {'ogh}.
One other alternative is the verb {ren} "design". It implies designing something instead of inventing it. My point is that "a language" is not something you need to invent. There are many languages, so there's no need to invent the concept of "language". Compare it to cars, houses or other things that are "designed {ren}". The {Duj 'oghwI'} is the person who invented the car, not the one who designed Ford's latest model. But that's not a final thing, only a suggestion. I'll leave it open for discussion. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/Word/
On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 12:24:14PM +0100, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 04.02.2020 um 11:40 schrieb De'vID:
I suggest {HollIj tlhIn yI'ogh}: * {Hol} n. language * {-lIj} your * {tlhIn} v. be particular, individual * {yI-} verb prefix for you-it * {'ogh} v. invent, devise
An alternative is to use {chenmoH} "cause to take form" rather than {'ogh}.
One other alternative is the verb {ren} "design". It implies designing something instead of inventing it. My point is that "a language" is not something you need to invent. There are many languages, so there's no need to invent the concept of "language".
Compare it to cars, houses or other things that are "designed {ren}". The {Duj 'oghwI'} is the person who invented the car, not the one who designed Ford's latest model.
But that's not a final thing, only a suggestion. I'll leave it open for discussion.
Given the artistic element of conlanging, an argument could be made to use {qon} 'to record, compose', traditionally used for the writing of music or literature. An additional benefit of both {qon} and Lieven's suggestion {ren} is that you wouldn't have an apostrophe in the phrase, if there were any typographical concerns related to that. If you wanted to get really technical, you could use {qon} for the act of creating an artlang, {ren} for an engelang or planned language, and {'ogh} for conlanging in general, but I think we're looking for a single phrase here. - kechpaja / SapIr -
Thanks to you all! Will get back in touch personally (offlist) re compensation. Sincerely, Sai Founder, Language Creation Society Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision & autocorrect errors. -------- Original Message -------- On Feb 4, 2020, 12:03, wrote:
On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 12:24:14PM +0100, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 04.02.2020 um 11:40 schrieb De'vID:
I suggest {HollIj tlhIn yI'ogh}: * {Hol} n. language * {-lIj} your * {tlhIn} v. be particular, individual * {yI-} verb prefix for you-it * {'ogh} v. invent, devise
An alternative is to use {chenmoH} "cause to take form" rather than {'ogh}.
One other alternative is the verb {ren} "design". It implies designing something instead of inventing it. My point is that "a language" is not something you need to invent. There are many languages, so there's no need to invent the concept of "language".
Compare it to cars, houses or other things that are "designed {ren}". The {Duj 'oghwI'} is the person who invented the car, not the one who designed Ford's latest model.
But that's not a final thing, only a suggestion. I'll leave it open for discussion.
Given the artistic element of conlanging, an argument could be made to use {qon} 'to record, compose', traditionally used for the writing of music or literature. An additional benefit of both {qon} and Lieven's suggestion {ren} is that you wouldn't have an apostrophe in the phrase, if there were any typographical concerns related to that.
If you wanted to get really technical, you could use {qon} for the act of creating an artlang, {ren} for an engelang or planned language, and {'ogh} for conlanging in general, but I think we're looking for a single phrase here.
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2020 at 12:24, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 04.02.2020 um 11:40 schrieb De'vID:
I suggest {HollIj tlhIn yI'ogh}: * {Hol} n. language * {-lIj} your * {tlhIn} v. be particular, individual * {yI-} verb prefix for you-it * {'ogh} v. invent, devise
An alternative is to use {chenmoH} "cause to take form" rather than {'ogh}.
One other alternative is the verb {ren} "design". It implies designing something instead of inventing it. My point is that "a language" is not something you need to invent. There are many languages, so there's no need to invent the concept of "language".
Compare it to cars, houses or other things that are "designed {ren}". The {Duj 'oghwI'} is the person who invented the car, not the one who designed Ford's latest model.
But that's not a final thing, only a suggestion. I'll leave it open for discussion.
My impression was that {ren} is restricted (or at least closely associated with) the design of physical objects like buildings, vehicles, or weapons. I think a conlang *is* something new that one invents. {HollIj tlhIn yI'ogh} is not saying that you're inventing the concept of language, but your own specific language. I think the {-lIj} and {tlhIn} makes it rather clear, like if someone said {DujDaj tlhIn 'oghta'}, it'd be clear that you're talking about a person who invented a specific car, not cars in general. -- De'vID
Am 04.02.2020 um 11:24 schrieb Sai:
How would you say "make your own language" in Klingon? I.e., with the contrastive sense "don't just look at this Klingon, do some conlanging yourself".
One option is not being too exact on the translation: {Hol 'oghwI' yImoj} "Become a language inventor" {Hol renwI' yImoj} "Become a language designer." -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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