I've thought of {tInchoH}, but I feel there's something missing, with regards to its ability to describe "to swell". For instance, if I want to say "a bug stung me and my hand swell", and I write {muchop ghew 'ej tInchoH ghopwIj}, I get the impression that there is "something missing". On the other hand, if I want to say "I saw lurSa' and tInchoH ngaghmeH nebwIj", then indeed the {tInchoH} is good. The {neb} being used metaphorically of course. So, I feel that the {tInchoH} lacks something, when we need to describe "to swell", as a result of a pathological process.. Perhaps I'm wrong though.. I don't know.. mayqel q On Oct 7, 2017 23:07, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
tInchoH
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*From: *mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> *Sent: *Saturday, October 7, 2017 3:25 PM *To: *tlhingan-hol@kli.org *Subject: *Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Sweat
And being on the subject of "things happening on a klingon body"..
An additional word, which would be nice if it was requested, at the qepHom to come, is "swell".
I'm sure, that for good or for bad, there are many things on a klingon body, which swell pretty often.
mayqel q
On Oct 7, 2017 22:02, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there anywhere in ca'non any reference that klingons don't sweat ?
I know that they don't cry, but don't they sweat ?
I'm writing this, because I'm surprised (not pleasantly), that we don't have a word for "sweat" (noun, or verb).
Anyways, I think this would be a good word to ask for, in the coming qepHom.
mayqel q
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On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:35 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
I've thought of {tInchoH}, but I feel there's something missing, with regards to its ability to describe "to swell".
For instance, if I want to say "a bug stung me and my hand swell", and I write {muchop ghew 'ej tInchoH ghopwIj}, I get the impression that there is "something missing".
On the other hand, if I want to say "I saw lurSa' and tInchoH ngaghmeH nebwIj", then indeed the {tInchoH} is good. The {neb} being used metaphorically of course.
So, I feel that the {tInchoH} lacks something, when we need to describe "to swell", as a result of a pathological process..
Perhaps I'm wrong though.. I don't know..
You're right that "become big" doesn't necessarily have the same medical or physical connotations as "swell", but it would still get the meaning across in the right context, like a bug bite. Until we get a more specific word with more specific medical connotations, you'll have to make do with alternate phrasings. If you don't think *tInchoH* quite works, you could try being specific about why your hand is getting bigger: - *ghopwIj tInchoHmoH 'Iw* "blood makes my hand get big" (replacing *'Iw* with *bIQ* "water" or *betgham* "liquid" or whatever is causing the swelling, when necessary.) - *ghopwIj SachmoH 'Iw* "blood makes my hand expand" - *'Iw 'Iq ngaS ghojwIj* "my hand contains too much blood" Or you could try including other symptoms: - *tInchoH ghopwIj 'ej Doqqu'choH* "my hand gets big and red" - *tInchoH ghopwIj 'ej 'oy'choH* "my hand gets big and sore" As for "sweat", maybe something like: *(jItujmo') (jItujHa'choHmeH) bIQ lIng DIrwIj* "(because I'm hot), my skin produces water (so I can cool off)", including or leaving out the stuff in parentheses if you want to be more or less wordy. Other verbs might work instead of *lIng*. For instance, since sweat is something secreted from the body (and it contains a little bit of waste products like urea), maybe you could use the "excretion verbs" used with going to the bathroom: *ghIm* "exile" or *vuj *"expel, eject". *bIQ ghIm DIrwIj* "my skin is exiling water".
Am 07.10.2017 um 22:35 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
I've thought of {tInchoH}, but I feel there's something missing, with regards to its ability to describe "to swell".
For instance, if I want to say "a bug stung me and my hand swell", and I write {muchop ghew 'ej tInchoH ghopwIj}, I get the impression that there is "something missing".
Even though described in the context of paper, I think the new word {ghul} "bump" might work here very well. {muchop ghew 'ej ghopwIjDaq tInchoH ghul}. Of course, if it's your entire hand, the maybe {tInchoH} works, or perhaps also {ror} or {pI'} "be fat". -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
Because I'm replying from my phone, unfortunately I can't quote specific parts of the previous messages. nIqolay Q, reading your suggestions of describing in full, the context of "sweat" and "swell", I agree that they describe adequately the context of these words. But the problem comes when someone is writting a longer text. In a longer message, if someones stops the flow of his thoughts, in order to describe the context of a word, a problem arises. The reader shifts his focus from the main subject, to the context of a word you start describing. And what if, few sentences down the line, you need to start describing the context of another word ? Lieven, the {ghul} is a good idea, but I'm afraid, that if I read {ghul}, I wouldn't get the impression of "a swollen area". I would probably understand "lump, tumor". So, I wouldn't use it to describe a "swelling". I would use it though, and I will definitely be using it, to describe a tumor. As a matter of fact, I've been wondering for quite some time, how to express "tumor", but I didn't ask, because I thought noone would care for such a word. So, thanks for solving for me this problem. Anyways, for the above reasons, I would like to ask that at the qepHom to come, the words "sweat" and "swell" (either in the form of verbs or nouns) be added to the vocabulary wishlist. mayqel q On Oct 8, 2017 10:33, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 07.10.2017 um 22:35 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
I've thought of {tInchoH}, but I feel there's something missing, with regards to its ability to describe "to swell".
For instance, if I want to say "a bug stung me and my hand swell", and I write {muchop ghew 'ej tInchoH ghopwIj}, I get the impression that there is "something missing".
Even though described in the context of paper, I think the new word {ghul} "bump" might work here very well.
{muchop ghew 'ej ghopwIjDaq tInchoH ghul}.
Of course, if it's your entire hand, the maybe {tInchoH} works, or perhaps also {ror} or {pI'} "be fat".
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On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 5:18 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Because I'm replying from my phone, unfortunately I can't quote specific parts of the previous messages.
nIqolay Q, reading your suggestions of describing in full, the context of "sweat" and "swell", I agree that they describe adequately the context of these words.
But the problem comes when someone is writting a longer text. In a longer message, if someones stops the flow of his thoughts, in order to describe the context of a word, a problem arises.
The reader shifts his focus from the main subject, to the context of a word you start describing. And what if, few sentences down the line, you need to start describing the context of another word ?
You can explain the context of a word the first time it's used, and then describe it more simply later on, and assume that your reader will be able to make the connection to the earlier more elaborate description. For instance, you can talk about your hand swelling with *ghopwIj tInchoHmoH 'Iw**.* Assuming they properly understand that as a way to talk about swelling, if you say later something like *tInchoHpu'bogh ghopwIj*, the reader will see the verb *tIn* and be reminded of how you used it earlier to talk about swelling. Occasionally having to express a concept in a wordy way is just one of those things you have to deal with if you've chosen to use a language whose vocabulary is invented by one guy a few words at a time.
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