the verb {noH}, means "to judge" as in a. I judge (estimate) that my dog must have eaten seven cats ? or b. don't judge (condemn) others, so that no one will judge (condemn) you too ? or c. I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not ? or d. all of the above ? mop qIj qunnoq
On 10 August 2016 at 09:15, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
the verb {noH}, means "to judge" as in
a. I judge (estimate) that my dog must have eaten seven cats ? or b. don't judge (condemn) others, so that no one will judge (condemn) you too ? or c. I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not ? or d. all of the above ?
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a). -- De'vID
Am 10.08.2016 um 10:07 schrieb De'vID:
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a).
The canon example confirms this, but I do not remember it. Something like {vaghSaD qelI'qam vInoH} "Estimating about 5000 kellicam" -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
maj. So, how do I say : "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not" ? Perhaps by the use of {nuD} ? Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors ? Or maybe {poj} is better ? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations ? Perhaps {legh} ? Or is {legh} only to be used with reference to physical objects ? Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ? hmm.. Sov 'Iv.. Sov 'Iv.. On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 10.08.2016 um 10:07 schrieb De'vID:
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a).
The canon example confirms this, but I do not remember it. Something like {vaghSaD qelI'qam vInoH} "Estimating about 5000 kellicam"
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
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jIH:
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
DaH, chaq Sujatlh : bInaH ! 'ach vay' boSov'a' ? yIruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' ! mu'mey'vam luchuHbe'lu'ba'pu'chugh SaHbe'ba'mo' ghaH, vaj qatlh jISaHnIS ? hmm ? qatlh ? canon vIpuQ ! On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
maj.
So, how do I say : "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not" ? Perhaps by the use of {nuD} ? Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors ? Or maybe {poj} is better ? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations ? Perhaps {legh} ? Or is {legh} only to be used with reference to physical objects ?
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
hmm.. Sov 'Iv.. Sov 'Iv..
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 10.08.2016 um 10:07 schrieb De'vID:
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a).
The canon example confirms this, but I do not remember it. Something like {vaghSaD qelI'qam vInoH} "Estimating about 5000 kellicam"
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
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this:
'ach vay' boSov'a' ? yIruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' ! should be: 'ach vay' boSov'a' ? peruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' !
also this:
canon vIpuQ ! should be: canonmo' jIpuQchoH !
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:08 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
jIH:
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
DaH, chaq Sujatlh : bInaH !
'ach vay' boSov'a' ? yIruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' !
mu'mey'vam luchuHbe'lu'ba'pu'chugh SaHbe'ba'mo' ghaH, vaj qatlh jISaHnIS ? hmm ? qatlh ?
canon vIpuQ !
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
maj.
So, how do I say : "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not" ? Perhaps by the use of {nuD} ? Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors ? Or maybe {poj} is better ? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations ? Perhaps {legh} ? Or is {legh} only to be used with reference to physical objects ?
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
hmm.. Sov 'Iv.. Sov 'Iv..
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 10.08.2016 um 10:07 schrieb De'vID:
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a).
The canon example confirms this, but I do not remember it. Something like {vaghSaD qelI'qam vInoH} "Estimating about 5000 kellicam"
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
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or maybe even: mupuQmoH canon.. On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:13 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
this:
'ach vay' boSov'a' ? yIruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' ! should be: 'ach vay' boSov'a' ? peruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' !
also this:
canon vIpuQ ! should be: canonmo' jIpuQchoH !
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:08 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
jIH:
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
DaH, chaq Sujatlh : bInaH !
'ach vay' boSov'a' ? yIruch 'ej yIjatlh.. jISaHbe' ! jISaHQo' !
mu'mey'vam luchuHbe'lu'ba'pu'chugh SaHbe'ba'mo' ghaH, vaj qatlh jISaHnIS ? hmm ? qatlh ?
canon vIpuQ !
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
maj.
So, how do I say : "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not" ? Perhaps by the use of {nuD} ? Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors ? Or maybe {poj} is better ? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations ? Perhaps {legh} ? Or is {legh} only to be used with reference to physical objects ?
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
hmm.. Sov 'Iv.. Sov 'Iv..
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 10.08.2016 um 10:07 schrieb De'vID:
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a).
The canon example confirms this, but I do not remember it. Something like {vaghSaD qelI'qam vInoH} "Estimating about 5000 kellicam"
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
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Am 10.08.2016 um 11:30 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
maj.
So, how do I say : "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not" ? Perhaps by the use of {nuD} ? Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors ? Or maybe {poj} is better ? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations ? Perhaps {legh} ? Or is {legh} only to be used with reference to physical objects ?
You are mostly answering your questions yourself. In general, most words we have must be understood literally and cannot be used for english "expression". For instance "see" is what you do with your eyes, even if in englsh one would say things like "that's the girl I've been seeing for two weeks" in the sense of "dating".
Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever I like most ?
That's the least useful suggestion. If you start using the words only in the way that you understand them, you will begin creating phrases that nobody understands. Just remember the "what will you have" situation in the restaurant. You have learned Klingon basics in a very very fast time, almost as quick as nobody else has learned it, which is ery impressive. But now you have begun reacting like a confused robot who has received too much input which he cannot handle. Slow down, Data, or your circuits will burn due to overload. ;-) Don't skip canon becaus you do not understand it or because it confuses you. Instead, slow down a bit, and read as much of canon, and also secondary literature like Hamlet, Gilgamesh, Tao Te Ching, etc. After some time you will begin to understand the words, and fin other solutions to translate things instead of browsing the dictionary. Actually, there are only very few words which are ambiguous and unclear. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
qunnoq :
the verb {noH}, means "to judge" as in
a. I judge (estimate) that my dog must have eaten seven cats? b. don't judge (condemn) others, so that no one will judge (condemn) you too? c. I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not? d. all of the above?
De'vID:
The definition given in TKD is "judge, estimate", so (a).
Lieven:
The canon example confirms this, but I do not remember it. Something like {vaghSaD qelI'qam vInoH} "Estimating about 5000 kellicam"
chorghSaD qelI'qam HIvchuq'e' vInoH Estimating attack range in 8,000 kellicams. ST5 AFAIK this is our only example of {noH}. qunnoq :
So, how do I say: "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not"? Perhaps by the use of {nuD}? Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors?
nuD examine (v) nItlhejbogh petaQmey tInuD Look at these *p'takhs* at your side (PB) AFAIK this is our only example.
Or maybe {poj} is better? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations?
poj analyze (v) pojbeH (The device) is set up to analyze it. TKD AFAIK this is our only example. If you're talking about a military judge, there's the two-syllable verb {ghIpDIj} "court martial". (AFAIK no examples are known.) Some Klingon judges are called {loHwI'} "magistrate": loHwI' vISuch 'e' vIpoQ! I demand to see the magistrate! (ENT "Affliction") FYI, Archer's trial for conspiring against the Klingon Empire and fomenting revolt was presided over by a magistrate. (ENT "Judgment") The verb for what a magistrate does is {loH} "administer" - administer justice? (No examples of the verb known.) Another type of judge is the {'oDwI'} "arbitrator, arbiter" (specifically, {cho' 'oDwI'} "Arbiter of Succession"): yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e' wuqta' cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh janluq pIqarD HoD. Gowron... named leader of the High Council by Captain Jean- Luc Picard, who was acting as Arbiter of Succession. (S25) What an {oDwI'} does is arbitrate/mediate {'oD}. (No examples of the verb known.) SEE ALSO (in no particular order): loy guess (v) wuq decide (v) chov assess, evaluate, test (v) qIch condemn (v) buv classify (v) DIS confess (v) pum accuse (v) naDHa' discommend (v) DIv be guilty (v) chun be innocent (v) yoj judgment (n) bo'DIj court [of law] (n) ruv justice (n) teblaw' jurisdiction (n) pum accusation (n) pIch blame, fault (n) -- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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