lieven:

My main argument is that Klinzha is a real game that can be played, as opposed to the {vIghro'}, which is fictive.

Do you mean that there's a real tlhInja game (which someone can buy on this earth) as there is for example the klingon monopoly? ~ Dana'an

"The Authorized Klin Zha Homepage"at http://www.tasigh.org/takzh/ has many other useful links (though the background graphics they used make the pages hard to read). Voragh -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- From: Lieven L. Litaer Am 16.06.2021 um 14:18 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:

Do you mean that there's a real tlhInja game (which someone can buy on this earth) as there is for example the klingon monopoly?

Not as complete or official as Monopoly, but there are several websites with information on the game. I'm not an expert, so I can't tell the details, or tell where they came from. But I have frequently observed people playing the game, so I know it works. (even 3D-KlinZha) Here some useful links: http://klingon.wiki/En/KlinZha http://www.klinzha.com/ https://www.chessvariants.com/shape.dir/klinzha/klinzha.html

I think referring to chess as {tlhInja} would be a bit like referring to all video games as Super Mario, or to all trading card games as Pokémon cards; it may help to get you into the right ball park, but in a way that shows your unfamiliarity with the details. In particular, it's worth noting that {tlhInja} - or "klin zha" as it is known in klingonaase - gets its name specifically because it is "the _Klingon_ game". In "The Final Reflection", the book where klin zha is first introduced, it is contrasted with "hum zha" (the human game), which is chess, and "rom zha" (the Romulan game), which is latranculo. Of course, this book reflects a culture that is quite distinct from the Klingons we know, so one might wonder as to what extent the origin of the name still figures into a typical Klingon's perception of the game. //loghaD -----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of Lieven L. Litaer Sent: den 16 juni 2021 14:13 To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] is {tlhInja} chess Am 16.06.2021 um 14:01 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:

Cutting through the crap of "what something actually is to a non-existent alien race", does this info on {tlhInja} mean that in the same way we say {vIghro'} for "cat", {lIr} for "owl", etc, we can say {tlhInja} for chess?

No, I would not do it. My main argument is that Klinzha is a real game that can be played, as opposed to the {vIghro'}, which is fictive. Depending on context of course, I think one might make a difference by saying {tera' tlhInja}, like Okrand usually tells us to do with animal names and fruit and so. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://klingon.wiki/En/KlinZha _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org