"Any language, means any language"
My friend who writes short stories has a character in one of her stories who has the super-power (they all have super-powers!) of being able to speak and understand any language in the universe. So in demonstration of this ability he says a line in German, and one in Welsh, followed by the declaration "vay' Hol qej vay' Hol!" which baffled me ("anyone's language is grouchy anyone's language"??), so I scrolled down to the footnote to see what she meant, and it said "any language, means any language." So I tried to figure out what the correct way to say that would be, but I can't figure it out, and I can't correct her Klingon if I don't have a better solution myself. How would you translate this sentence? -QISta' Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
On 10/25/2016 1:52 PM, Christa Hansberry wrote:
My friend who writes short stories has a character in one of her stories who has the super-power (they all have super-powers!) of being able to speak and understand any language in the universe. So in demonstration of this ability he says a line in German, and one in Welsh, followed by the declaration "vay' Hol qej vay' Hol!" which baffled me ("anyone's language is grouchy anyone's language"??), so I scrolled down to the footnote to see what she meant, and it said "any language, means any language."
So I tried to figure out what the correct way to say that would be, but I can't figure it out, and I can't correct her Klingon if I don't have a better solution myself. How would you translate this sentence?
The *qej* obviously comes from /be grouchy, mean,/ even though that's the wrong kind of /mean./ Your friend got this out of the Bing Translator (try it!). *vay' Hol* means /someone's language;/ I'm not sure whether *vay'* can be used to mean /any <thing>./ Better to reword the idea completely. Any problem with /every language?/ *Hoch Hol vIjatlhlaHbej 'ej vIyajlaHbej* /I can definitely speak and understand every language/ Another possibility, though I'm not sure whether it's grammatically acceptable: *Hochna' Hol vIjatlhlaH 'ej vIyajlaH */I can speak and understand definitely-every language/ Both of these sentences put forward the "yes, what I'm saying is really true" idea of the original in a way different than English. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
voragh:
Hoch Hol ‘oH Hoch Hol’e’. “Every language is every language.”
hold on a tup.. wa'Hu' mu'ghomvam vIleghpu' 'ach jIchechpu'mo' jIjanglaHbe'. 'a DaH, jIchechbe'mo' jIghel vIneH: {Hoch Hol} means "every language", or "each language" ? qunnoH On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:06 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/25/2016 1:52 PM, Christa Hansberry wrote:
My friend who writes short stories has a character in one of her stories who has the super-power (they all have super-powers!) of being able to speak and understand any language in the universe. So in demonstration of this ability he says a line in German, and one in Welsh, followed by the declaration "vay' Hol qej vay' Hol!" which baffled me ("anyone's language is grouchy anyone's language"??), so I scrolled down to the footnote to see what she meant, and it said "any language, means any language."
So I tried to figure out what the correct way to say that would be, but I can't figure it out, and I can't correct her Klingon if I don't have a better solution myself. How would you translate this sentence?
The qej obviously comes from be grouchy, mean, even though that's the wrong kind of mean. Your friend got this out of the Bing Translator (try it!).
vay' Hol means someone's language; I'm not sure whether vay' can be used to mean any <thing>.
Better to reword the idea completely. Any problem with every language?
Hoch Hol vIjatlhlaHbej 'ej vIyajlaHbej I can definitely speak and understand every language
Another possibility, though I'm not sure whether it's grammatically acceptable:
Hochna' Hol vIjatlhlaH 'ej vIyajlaH I can speak and understand definitely-every language
Both of these sentences put forward the "yes, what I'm saying is really true" idea of the original in a way different than English.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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On 10/26/2016 3:07 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
voragh:
Hoch Hol ‘oH Hoch Hol’e’. “Every language is every language.” hold on a tup.. wa'Hu' mu'ghomvam vIleghpu' 'ach jIchechpu'mo' jIjanglaHbe'. 'a DaH, jIchechbe'mo' jIghel vIneH:
{Hoch Hol} means "every language", or "each language" ?
Don't get too caught up in the exact English phrase; they aren't well distinguished in English. *Hoch Hol* means "each language, taken individually." *Hoch Holmey* means "all languages, taken as a whole." The phrase "every language" can mean either of those. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
maj. pab tameywIjDaq De'vam vIchel. qunnoH ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta' On 26 Oct 2016 4:43 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/26/2016 3:07 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
voragh:
Hoch Hol ‘oH Hoch Hol’e’. “Every language is every language.”
hold on a tup.. wa'Hu' mu'ghomvam vIleghpu' 'ach jIchechpu'mo' jIjanglaHbe'. 'a DaH, jIchechbe'mo' jIghel vIneH:
{Hoch Hol} means "every language", or "each language" ?
Don't get too caught up in the exact English phrase; they aren't well distinguished in English. *Hoch Hol* means "each language, taken individually." *Hoch Holmey* means "all languages, taken as a whole." The phrase "every language" can mean either of those.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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I can think of a couple of ways: Hoch Hol ‘oH Hoch Hol’e’. “Every language is every language.” Hoch Hol ‘oS Hoch Hol. “Every language represents every language.” Note the phrase {Hoch Holmey mughwI’} “universal translator”: Hoch Holmey mughwI' vIwIv 'e' DapIH'a' Did you expect me to choose the Universal Translator? (NASM interview) BTW we’ve seen {‘oS} “represent” used like this before (but never translated literally): toDuj 'oS rol A beard is a symbol of courage. TKW qorDu'Daj tuq 'oS Ha'quj'e' tuQbogh wo'rIv The sash that Worf wears is a symbol of his family's house. S20 yay 'oS bey This yell is victorious in nature... S31 -- Voragh On Behalf Of Christa Hansberry My friend who writes short stories has a character in one of her stories who has the super-power (they all have super-powers!) of being able to speak and understand any language in the universe. So in demonstration of this ability he says a line in German, and one in Welsh, followed by the declaration "vay' Hol qej vay' Hol!" which baffled me ("anyone's language is grouchy anyone's language"??), so I scrolled down to the footnote to see what she meant, and it said "any language, means any language." So I tried to figure out what the correct way to say that would be, but I can't figure it out, and I can't correct her Klingon if I don't have a better solution myself. How would you translate this sentence?
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