Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: 'opuHwI'
We should also remember that there aren't too many multisyllabic verb roots in Klingon. Verb roots are normally one syllable.
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Michael K?nin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
?Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}?
We can?t know whether it?s unrevealed or nonexistent. If we eventually learn of such a verb, we shouldn?t be surprised, but we >also shouldn?t expect one.
? ghunchu'wI'
For that matter, {‘opuH} is somewhat uncommon in terms of phonemes, in that the {-opu-} would more commonly be {‘o’pu-} or {‘op’u}. The syllable division in Klingon is usually between two consonants. So, is this {‘op-uH}, or is it {‘o-puH}? Where do you divide the syllables? It’s like the {p} is the syllable boundary, making it somehow not quite belong to either syllable. I’m don't feel sure I really know how to pronounce this simple word. Likely, it’s {‘op-uH} patterned after the one most common syllable that lacks the usual consonant: {-oy} as in {SoSoy} and {vavoy}, which one knows to be pronounced with the syllable breaks at {SoS-oy} and {vav-oy}… Unless it’s more like the prefixes… Yep. I’m not sure where the syllable division is here. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Jan 13, 2024, at 5:41 PM, James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
We should also remember that there aren't too many multisyllabic verb roots in Klingon. Verb roots are normally one syllable.
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Michael K?nin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote:
?Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}?
We can?t know whether it?s unrevealed or nonexistent. If we eventually learn of such a verb, we shouldn?t be surprised, but we >also shouldn?t expect one.
? ghunchu'wI'
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Other than very few exceptions, Klingon syllables are cvc or cv. 'o-puH cv-cvc - DloraH On Sat, 2024-01-13 at 22:42 -0500, Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
For that matter, {‘opuH} is somewhat uncommon in terms of phonemes, in that the {-opu-} would more commonly be {‘o’pu-} or {‘op’u}. The syllable division in Klingon is usually between two consonants. So, is this {‘op-uH}, or is it {‘o-puH}? Where do you divide the syllables? It’s like the {p} is the syllable boundary, making it somehow not quite belong to either syllable.
I’m don't feel sure I really know how to pronounce this simple word.
Likely, it’s {‘op-uH} patterned after the one most common syllable that lacks the usual consonant: {-oy} as in {SoSoy} and {vavoy}, which one knows to be pronounced with the syllable breaks at {SoS-oy} and {vav-oy}…
Unless it’s more like the prefixes…
Yep. I’m not sure where the syllable division is here.
pItlh
charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Jan 13, 2024, at 5:41 PM, James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
We should also remember that there aren't too many multisyllabic verb roots in Klingon. Verb roots are normally one syllable.
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On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Michael K?nin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote:
?Given the {-wI'}, is there an unrevealed verb {'opuH}?
We can?t know whether it?s unrevealed or nonexistent. If we eventually learn of such a verb, we shouldn?t be surprised, but we >also shouldn?t expect one.
? ghunchu'wI'
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On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 10:43 PM Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
For that matter, {‘opuH} is somewhat uncommon in terms of phonemes, in that the {-opu-} would more commonly be {‘o’pu-} or {‘op’u}. The syllable division in Klingon is usually between two consonants. So, is this {‘op-uH}, or is it {‘o-puH}? Where do you divide the syllables? It’s like the {p} is the syllable boundary, making it somehow not quite belong to either syllable.
It's "somewhat uncommon" but it's not bizarre. Consider nouns like {pIqaD} and {toDuj}, and even the verb {nughI'}.
I’m don't feel sure I really know how to pronounce this simple word.
It is clearly {'o - puH - wI'}. Syllables begin with a consonant. (The single exception of the vowel-initial morpheme {-oy} might in practice "borrow" the preceding syllable's ending consonant, or end up with an inserted {'} if there isn't a consonant to be borrowed.) -- ghunchu'wI'
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