Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nuHHom
"Small arms" refers to kinetic-prohectile weapons that are carried and used by individual soldiers. "Light weapons" are kinetic-projectile weapons that can be carried by individual soldiers, incendiary devices, or explosive ammunition. "Heavy weapons" refers to anything bigger, typically mounted. I'm sure nuHHom has been space-ified to include energy weapons, but it undoubtedly still refers to weapons carried and operated by individual soldiers. Whether "light weapons" or "heavy weapons" have Klingon translations, I don't know. I would not assume the use of 'ugh or tIS. -------- Original message -------- From: Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> Date: 5/27/24 10:31 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Cc: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nuHHom I’m curious about this word, in terms of how it would be interpreted on either side of the Federation Standard/Klingon boundary. Terrans think of small arms meaning pistols, rifles, and maybe even machine guns — anything that can be carried around by a foot soldier — as small arms, contrasted with tanks, artillery, battleships, bombers, missiles, etc. Meanwhile, Klingons find cultural value in the ability to improvise a weapon out of ANYTHING. They would respect someone for killing an enemy with a pair of tweezers. So, given that, would a disruptor rifle be considered {nuHHom}? For {nuH’a’}, we’ve seen the disruptors hanging on the wingtips of Birds of Prey, and photon torpedos, and… that’s pretty much it. Everything else gets carried around by foot soldiers. {betleHmey, nISwI’ HIchmey, nISwI’ beHmey} and a wide variety of other bladed weapon types, and ceremonial spears, etc. are the known soldier-borne weapons. Do they all really deserve {-Hom}, especially given the cultural emphasis on the {betleH}, which is, frankly, a very dangerous weapon for the bearer, and is still favored, despite how easy it is to kill someone who attacks you with it? For the martial-art ignorant, a weapon with 3 handles borne by a solder with two hands implies at least one free handle the intended target can grasp, yank, and propel one end of the weapon to stab into the ground, halting the forward progress of the weapon, while the assailant’s momentum continues, driving the other end of the weapon into the chest or abdomen of the assailant. But I digress. The question lies in whether the Terran threshold of “small” fits as an accurate translation of the Klingon {-Hom} in this context. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj) On May 27, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Klingon Word of the Day via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote: Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, May 27, 2024 Klingon word: nuHHom Part of speech: noun Definition: small arms Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh@kli.org). _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Adding to this: the ability to improvise a weapon out of anything is a trait of the _warrior_, not the weapon. If anything, it probably makes the distinction between weapons intended to be used as weapons and tools or other objects that have been repurposed as weapons _more_ stark — after all, if you manage to kill your enemy with a pair of tweezers, you're going to want people to know you did it with only a pair of tweezers, not a disrupter. - SapIr On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 03:23:20PM +0000, sustel trimboli.name via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
"Small arms" refers to kinetic-prohectile weapons that are carried and used by individual soldiers. "Light weapons" are kinetic-projectile weapons that can be carried by individual soldiers, incendiary devices, or explosive ammunition. "Heavy weapons" refers to anything bigger, typically mounted.
I'm sure nuHHom has been space-ified to include energy weapons, but it undoubtedly still refers to weapons carried and operated by individual soldiers.
Whether "light weapons" or "heavy weapons" have Klingon translations, I don't know. I would not assume the use of 'ugh or tIS.
-------- Original message -------- From: Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> Date: 5/27/24 10:31 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Cc: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nuHHom
I’m curious about this word, in terms of how it would be interpreted on either side of the Federation Standard/Klingon boundary.
Terrans think of small arms meaning pistols, rifles, and maybe even machine guns — anything that can be carried around by a foot soldier — as small arms, contrasted with tanks, artillery, battleships, bombers, missiles, etc.
Meanwhile, Klingons find cultural value in the ability to improvise a weapon out of ANYTHING. They would respect someone for killing an enemy with a pair of tweezers.
So, given that, would a disruptor rifle be considered {nuHHom}?
For {nuH’a’}, we’ve seen the disruptors hanging on the wingtips of Birds of Prey, and photon torpedos, and… that’s pretty much it. Everything else gets carried around by foot soldiers. {betleHmey, nISwI’ HIchmey, nISwI’ beHmey} and a wide variety of other bladed weapon types, and ceremonial spears, etc. are the known soldier-borne weapons. Do they all really deserve {-Hom}, especially given the cultural emphasis on the {betleH}, which is, frankly, a very dangerous weapon for the bearer, and is still favored, despite how easy it is to kill someone who attacks you with it?
For the martial-art ignorant, a weapon with 3 handles borne by a solder with two hands implies at least one free handle the intended target can grasp, yank, and propel one end of the weapon to stab into the ground, halting the forward progress of the weapon, while the assailant’s momentum continues, driving the other end of the weapon into the chest or abdomen of the assailant.
But I digress.
The question lies in whether the Terran threshold of “small” fits as an accurate translation of the Klingon {-Hom} in this context.
pItlh
charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On May 27, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Klingon Word of the Day via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, May 27, 2024
Klingon word: nuHHom Part of speech: noun Definition: small arms Source: TKD
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It’s worth noting that we were very late to acquire a generic word for “tool”. {nuH} came with the first edition of TKD. {SommI’} didn’t show up until 2018. It’s like Maltz revealed it after saying, “Okay. If I MUST!” That, or it just took that long to recall it as vocabulary, since in Klingon, it’s jargon, used only by mechanics and carpenters and other lowly cretins who earn their living working with their hands to do things that don’t involve killing anybody. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On May 27, 2024, at 12:37 PM, kechpaja--- via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Adding to this: the ability to improvise a weapon out of anything is a trait of the _warrior_, not the weapon. If anything, it probably makes the distinction between weapons intended to be used as weapons and tools or other objects that have been repurposed as weapons _more_ stark — after all, if you manage to kill your enemy with a pair of tweezers, you're going to want people to know you did it with only a pair of tweezers, not a disrupter.
- SapIr On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 03:23:20PM +0000, sustel trimboli.name via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:
"Small arms" refers to kinetic-prohectile weapons that are carried and used by individual soldiers. "Light weapons" are kinetic-projectile weapons that can be carried by individual soldiers, incendiary devices, or explosive ammunition. "Heavy weapons" refers to anything bigger, typically mounted.
I'm sure nuHHom has been space-ified to include energy weapons, but it undoubtedly still refers to weapons carried and operated by individual soldiers.
Whether "light weapons" or "heavy weapons" have Klingon translations, I don't know. I would not assume the use of 'ugh or tIS.
-------- Original message -------- From: Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> Date: 5/27/24 10:31 AM (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Cc: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: nuHHom
I’m curious about this word, in terms of how it would be interpreted on either side of the Federation Standard/Klingon boundary.
Terrans think of small arms meaning pistols, rifles, and maybe even machine guns — anything that can be carried around by a foot soldier — as small arms, contrasted with tanks, artillery, battleships, bombers, missiles, etc.
Meanwhile, Klingons find cultural value in the ability to improvise a weapon out of ANYTHING. They would respect someone for killing an enemy with a pair of tweezers.
So, given that, would a disruptor rifle be considered {nuHHom}?
For {nuH’a’}, we’ve seen the disruptors hanging on the wingtips of Birds of Prey, and photon torpedos, and… that’s pretty much it. Everything else gets carried around by foot soldiers. {betleHmey, nISwI’ HIchmey, nISwI’ beHmey} and a wide variety of other bladed weapon types, and ceremonial spears, etc. are the known soldier-borne weapons. Do they all really deserve {-Hom}, especially given the cultural emphasis on the {betleH}, which is, frankly, a very dangerous weapon for the bearer, and is still favored, despite how easy it is to kill someone who attacks you with it?
For the martial-art ignorant, a weapon with 3 handles borne by a solder with two hands implies at least one free handle the intended target can grasp, yank, and propel one end of the weapon to stab into the ground, halting the forward progress of the weapon, while the assailant’s momentum continues, driving the other end of the weapon into the chest or abdomen of the assailant.
But I digress.
The question lies in whether the Terran threshold of “small” fits as an accurate translation of the Klingon {-Hom} in this context.
pItlh
charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On May 27, 2024, at 10:00 AM, Klingon Word of the Day via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, May 27, 2024
Klingon word: nuHHom Part of speech: noun Definition: small arms Source: TKD
This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh@kli.org).
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