On 8/15/2019 12:27 PM, Alan Anderson wrote:
yIja''egh

(an example from TKD 4.2.1)

-- ghunchu'wI'

On Aug 15, 2019, at 12:17 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

In canon, Okrand has only ever used a word like lut as the object of ja'. He has never explicitly used a person as its object.

Hang on. I found a better example than that.

loDnI'Daj vavDaj je ja' qeylIS Kahless tells his brother and father (PB)

But paq'batlh also has SengmeywIj vIja'laHbe' I cannot speak of my tragedies, chaHvaD lut ja' told them his tale, lut ja'taHvIS Hem rewbe' The people tell the tales with pride, le'yo' lutmey juja'pu'mo' qatlho' I think you, for your stories of pride (Hey, it's an example of someone saying qatlho'), DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja' Now I will tell you why I am here, 'ej mu'meyvam ja' And spoke these words, qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je This is what Kotar and Molor / Have said to Kahless, ghIq pagh ja'taHvIS Then without a word, quv HIja'chuqQo' Don't speak to me of honor!

So going by paq'batlh, it is possible to use a person as the object of ja', but it's FAR more common to use the words or information told as the object.

My guess: the "natural" object of ja' is the direct object, the information or words told. When using a direct object, any indirect object must be explicitly marked with -vaD. But when there is no explicit direct object, the indirect object, the entity to whom something is told, can sit in the object position.

Much like the way -moH seems to work with objects.

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SuStel
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