I also neglected to include a new comment on kiss in my original edit to the Wiki but have since added it. I'll post it here. I had a question about kiss since it comes up more than a few times in the book and I know that there's lots of hesitation surrounding the use of chop for this:

For "kiss," chop seems to have become the established translation. But, of course, to chop is to kiss Klingon-style. To make it clear that that's not what's happening in Oz, I was going to suggest pe'vIlHa' chop. I see you used pe'vIlHa' chop for when the witch kissed Dorothy "gently on the forehead," so, unless that changes, you can't use pe'vIl chop for "(non-Klingon) kiss" in general. Maybe loQ chop will work for the more general case. Or maybe just use chop and let it go at that. There's no straightforward, simple Klingon word for "(human-style) kiss." A non-standard, slangy expression for this is 'ep. And Maltz says he thinks he once heard someone say qab rem, but he tried hard to picture that and didn't consider it to be good Klingon at all — not even good slang.

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020, à 11 h 26, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com> a écrit :
Aha! I suspected a Downton Abbey pun in patmor but wasn't sure how it was related. 
We had been chatting about Downton Abbey in the string of e-mails in which he revealed patmor.

Le lun. 20 avr. 2020, à 11 h 01, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> a écrit :

Thank you for sharing; some interesting ones, there!

Rubies and emeralds could potentially be of interest when {Doq/SuD; X rur.} to describe the color of something. It's worth noting that there is a certain span of colors that rubies and emeralds can take, though, so be mindful that a Klingon might not imagine the exact same color as we do if you say {Doq; nIb DItlhon.} or {SuD; nIb patmor.}.


A while back, I asked a question on the conworlding Stack Exchange about whether or not we would expect to find well-known gemstones on other Earth-like planets, specifically because I was thinking about whether or not it would be of interest to ask about their Klingon names. There were some interesting answers:


https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/108397/would-earthlike-planets-in-other-solar-systems-have-well-known-earth-gemstones-s


It does seem likely - or at least not incredibly _un_likely* - that the cardinal gems would be found in some quantity, as their formation is quite simple.

However, their abundance and categorization might differ, since the same mineral can take a range of colors (for example, rubies and sapphires are both varieties of corundum), and conversely two different may have similar features (for example, I wouldn't be able to tell ruby from red beryl).


//loghaD


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majQa'!

One thing I like lately is how MO has been providing new verbs which seem to be related to existing nouns, giving a sense of some deeper historical etymology. ({rutlh} = "wheel" and "be round", for instance.) {QIn} "inject" might be another example, since it's homophonous with the word for "spearhead", both of which involve sticking a pointy thing into something else.

Also, this seems to be acknowledgement of the word {ngIS}, which was coined for a Klingon novel but wasn't canon.

{mu' chu' loScha'mey:}
{DItlhon} = "dixon" in the xifan hol transcription system. In the holodeck scene of "Star Trek: First Contact", Ruby is the name of one of Dixon Hill's lady friends.
{patmor} = Beryl Patmore is a character on Downton Abbey. Emerald is a variety of the mineral beryl.


On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:46 PM Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone!

Earlier I uploaded a video in which I presented some new words that I received for a recent translation. I've put the glosses and some notes onto the Klingon Wiki, so be sure to check that page out!


Best,
DeSDu'
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