Slightly beside mayqel&#39;s point, but in the phrase {naDev jIHtaH} /I am here/ (see TKD 27-28pp), the {naDev} is implicitly locative, right? So it can never mean /I am the here/(?) It should be considered {naDev[Daq] jIHtaH} grammatically, although the {-Daq} is never written explicitly in this case. That is correct, right?<div><br></div><div>QImSIr<br><br>On Sunday, December 18, 2016, mayqel qunenoS &lt;<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">&gt; DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja&#39;.&quot;<br>
&gt; /Now I will tell you why I am here./</p>
<p dir="ltr">if the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is indeed a noun, them I believe this resembles the &quot;ship in which I fled&quot; problem.</p>
<p dir="ltr">if we accept the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} as a noun, then obviously by the same reasoning we need to accept {Duj jInarghbogh} as a noun too, unless the {naDev} is the object of {jIHtaHbogh}, thus producing &quot;the here which I am being&quot;.</p>
<p dir="ltr">of course in star trek everything is possible, so perhaps someone can change state of being thus from a humanoid becoming a place.. but then again the english translation doesn&#39;t say &quot;now I will tell you why I became the here&quot;.</p>
<p dir="ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI&#39;vo&#39; vIngeHta&#39;</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 Dec 2016 10:31 pm, &quot;SuStel&quot; &lt;<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sustel@trimboli.name&#39;);" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>On 12/17/2016 1:40 PM, mayqel qunenoS
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      <p dir="ltr">ok, I read it; {jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe&#39;}.</p>
      <p dir="ltr">however based on what I know, I can&#39;t analyze it.
        &quot;here which I am being I don&#39;t know it&quot;. shouldn&#39;t the {naDev}
        always come first ? and what is its role in that sentence ? is
        it the subject of the {jIHtaHbogh}, the object of {vISovbe&#39;}, or
        both ?</p>
      <p dir="ltr">as I wrote earlier in this thread, I am obviously
        missing something here, and by the looks of it, it must be
        something pretty important..</p>
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    <p>I&#39;ve never heard a satisfactory analysis of the sentence either.
      But Okrand obviously has one to use the <b>jIHtaHbogh</b> word
      more than once.<br>
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