2017-10-10 20:33 GMT+02:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>:

SuStel:

> If someone were to write Duj Do'a' Do DoHom vIjuv for I 

> measure the ship's deceleration

I can'understand this; all I read is "I measure the ship's great speed, speed, lesser speed"

mayqel q

This is also the only thing I am grasping there. It would not make sense to me. It sounds either like a mere list, or like a NNN construction meaning "I measure the lesser speed of the speed of the greater speed of the ship." Neither of which makes sense. Maybe that ship has only 3 speed modes, slow pace, middle pace, and full speed, and I could measure what they are (e.g. half impulse, full impulse, and warp 1).

Interpreting something like "deceleration" into seems like a big stretch. Like linguistic fan fiction.

- André

 

On Oct 10, 2017 8:09 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

On 10/10/2017 12:51 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:

I don't see these as a spectrum, and these suffixes don't express what I thought of the nouns at the time; they tell what I think of them when I say the sentence.

It's interesting that you don't see these suffixes as a spectrum. I thought it was a good example of a spectrum of something like "increasing belief on my part that this thing can or should be described by this noun", from -qoq ("obviously not such a thing") to -na' ("definitely such a thing"). That's a good point about how they apply at the time of speaking, though. (At first I was going to argue that in the right context they could be taken to mean "what I thought of them at the time", like if they were contrasted with each other in some kind of temporal sequence, but I think that's mostly just because I really liked that example and want to salvage it somehow.)

Noun qualification suffixes applying to what a participant in the sentence is not a complete impossibility, though I don't like it. We've seen hints of similar in the verb qualification suffixes. But we haven't actually seen anything like this in nouns so far as I know, so no point trying to find a way to make it so.

You might construct a similar argument based on aspect suffixes and -ghach: SuvchoHghach SuvtaHghach Suvpu'ghach for something like fight from start to finish. There's an unmistakable sequence here, but it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. And with this one there's actually little point to nominalizing it; just say SuvchoH SuvtaH Suvpu'. Interpret it with full stops after each word if you must.

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