noq QapmeH wo' Qaw'lu'chugh yay chavbe'lu' 'ej wo' choqmeH may' DoHlu'chugh lujbe'lu' Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory, and ending a battle to save an empire is no defeat. (TKW)
Typo: noH should be the first word, of course.
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