I agree 100% with the analysis provided by lieven.

So, if I understand correctly:

Yes, we can have the construction {b'e' 'oH a'e'}.
Yes, we can have the construction {yadda yadda yadda b'e' 'oHbogh 'a'e'}.

If I understand wrong, then do correct me.

qunnoq

On Sep 12, 2017 6:33 PM, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 12.09.2017 um 17:15 schrieb De'vID:
{nutojta' nepwI''e' chaHbogh verengan'e'}
the liars which are the ferengi deceived us

This is mixed up very often. I believe to see that in a To-Be-phrase, the word order is reversed, so "A is B" is in Klingon {B 'oH A'e'}. I base thi on TKD: "If the subject is a noun, it follows the third-person pronoun".

So {nepwI' chaH verengan'e'} is "The Ferengi are liars".

When adding {-bogh}, I get the "ferengi which are liars" and not "liars which are ferengi".

How is this different

I see it as follows:

{nutojta' nepwI''e' chaHbogh verengan'e'}
"the Ferengi which are liars (and nothing else) have deceived us"
= there are many ferengi, but only those who are liars (and nothing else) have deceived us.

{nutojta' verengan chaHbogh nepwI''e'}
"the liars which are ferengi deceived us"
= there are many liars on board the ship, but only those who are Ferengi have deceived us.

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