On Aug 15, 2019, at 12:17 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

On 8/15/2019 11:50 AM, Will Martin wrote:

I remember there being a time that Okrand explained that the difference between {jatlh} and {ja’} was that the direct object of {jatlh} was the language or the text being spoken, while the object of {ja’} was the person being addressed.

I do not believe he has ever outright stated what the object of ja' should be. On the other hand, you yourself once interviewed him (http://klingonska.org/canon/1998-12-holqed-07-4.txt) and stated that the typical object of ja' would be the person addressed, and he never responded to that. He has, however, talked about what the object of jatlh should be (http://klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29a-news.txt), and it's the language being spoken or a word referring to the speech (like SoQ speech, lecture, address). It's not the actual words; those are quoted as per TKD's section on sentences as objects. The indirect object of jatlh, he also said, is the listener.

In canon, Okrand has only ever used a word like lut as the object of ja'. He has never explicitly used a person as its object. He's used prefixes that indicate a person being reported to, but there's no way to distinguish whether it's an elided direct object or a reference to in indirect object using the prefix trick.

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