SuStel:
> connotes negative quality
> (connotes disparagement, seldom used)

What is the difference between "connotes negative quality" and "connotes disparagement" ? I googled disparagement, (because I didn't know its meaning), and I got the synonyms of "devaluation, debasement, derogation".

The way I understand the "connotes negative quality" and "connotes disparagement", with regards to the matter we are discussing is: 

If I want to say that the qagh is as dead as a stone (which is a negative quality) then I use {A Q puS B Q puS}. But if I want to say that the forehead of someone's mother is smooth as a peach, and I want the phrase to have the maximum insulting effect, then I will use {A Q puS B Q rap}. And maybe, in the qagh example, if I want to insult the chef who ccoked it, I will use again {A Q puS B Q rap} instead of the {A Q puS B Q puS}. Or is it that the "disparagement" concerns only the occupant of slot A, and not those in direct relation to him as well ?

Am I right ?

SuStel:
> If the positive antonym is used in place of law' and the negative in place of puS, you get the same 
> meaning as the standard law'/puS. If the order is reversed, you get A is less Q than B. The reversed 
> version is seldom used. Okrand does not give any examples of doing this with Hoch in the B slot, but 
> he says it can be done.

You mean that what 'oqranD says that can be done, is in an antonym construction placing the {Hoch} in the A slot, thus having that "all are less than.." ?

..and finally

As far as the intentional ungrammaticality of the law' puS construction, as it is described in kgt is concerned.. Is someone allowed to make use of it regularly, or is it only to be used under special circumstances ?

qunnoq

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Lawrence M. Schoen <klingonguy@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a great summary. It belongs on one of the new (and forthcoming) KLI Trading Cards.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:54 AM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

Here are the variants of law'/puS and other comparatives we've gotten over the years.

A Q law' B Q puS
A is more Q than B

A Q law' Hoch Q puS
A is the most Q of all

Q A; rap B
B is as Q as A

Q A; nIb B
B is as Q as A (connotes precision)

A Q law' B Q rap
A is as Q as B

A Q puS B Q rap
A is as Q as B (connotes disparagement, seldom used)

A Q law' B Q nIb
A is as Q as B (connotes precision)

A Q law' B Q law'
A is as Q as B (connotes positive quality)

A Q puS B Q puS
A is as Q as B (connotes negative quality)

A Q law' B Q pIm
A's Q is different than B's Q (does not imply that one is more Q than the other, only that their Qs are different)

A Q law'be' B Q puSbe'
A is not more Q than B

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