On 4/22/2019 12:25 PM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 22.04.2019 um 15:40 schrieb SuStel:
I don't think it's silly at all. Their interest is in Star Trek canon,
and rightly so. Fans interested in Star Trek canon have no more reason
to accept something Okrand says in a Facebook message to me as Star Trek
canon than I do in accepting a line some writer has put in the mouth of
a Klingon as Okrandian canon.

I'm not talking about some pesonal facebook message, I'm talking about
The Klingon Dictionary, which is Okrand's work that he used to create
Klingon in the movies.

But we don't only accept The Klingon Dictionary as Okrandian canon; we accept anything Okrand has to say about Klingon, including personal Facebook messages.

And Memory Alpha accepts whatever appears on screen in any Star Trek as Star Trek canon. (There might be some exceptions, like how Gene Roddenberry declared that Star Trek V might be considered apocryphal.)


The following example is not an actual situation, but people on MA would
accept "Kappla" if it were written as such in the closed captions, and
if I tell them that it's spelled {Qapla'} in TKD, they would say it's
not canon, because that's not how it appeared on screen.

And as far as Star Trek canon goes, they would be correct. Assuming that closed captions are considered Star Trek canon, of course.


That's what I see as silly or maybe even quite stubborn to refuse that,
although they know that Okrand has written the Klingon words for the
movies. I mean, it's the official Klingon dictionary, and not something
that some random guy has written.

But official is not the same as canonical. Something that is official is simply published under a license.


Nevertheless, although I don't agree with them, I accept that it's their
policy and let them do it their way - including naming the language
"Klingonese". ;-)

In Star Trek canon, it is named Klingonese... sometimes. It's been called Klingonese, Klingonee, and Klingon. Assuming they're all the same language, which isn't really established in Star Trek canon.

Let's all remember that, according to Star Trek canon, Klingon has "eighty polyguttural dialects constructed on an adaptive syntax." Which has nothing to do with Okrandian canon.

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