Am 21.02.2020 um 18:42 schrieb SuStel:
The word is /genitive./ The first noun [...][...]
*bIQ bal* /water jug
Apposition, on the other hand, is where two nouns or noun phrases are
side by side, and one further identifies the other.
Okay, I think I understand. But how is the following interpreted then?
We were told the word {wab labwI'} means "radio". We were also told that
if it was need to distinguish the broadcaster from the device, you may
add {jan}.
Expanding this, I could probably say {wab labwI' qach}, {wab labwI'
malja'}, {wab labwI' loD}... etc.
The second part of this nn-construction might be labeled as "identifier".
In linguistics, the correct word for the second noun would be the
head noun.
I may even accept that it's still a genetive construction, BUT why is it
turned around?
For instance, in {bIQ bal} the identifier comes first: WATER bottle
instead of "BEER bottle".
In the phrase {wab labwI' jan}, it's not {wab labwI'} identifiying the
kind of {jan}, it's the {jan} word which is telling you what kind of
{wab labwI'} you talk about.
You're confusing how Okrand is describing something and the
grammar behind it. When Okrand says you can distinguish which kind
of wab labwI' by adding a word like jan, what he
means is you can talk about a different head noun to make the
distinction. Instead of talking about a transmitter, which
can be a person or a device the person is using (in English, too),
you can talk about a device, which is only one thing. wab
labwI' jan is a noun-noun construction in which the genitive
noun (phrase) is wab labwI', and the head noun is jan.
Okrand is not saying you're adding a genitive noun, and you're
not; he's only giving you a way to clarify that you mean a device
instead of a person.
In addition to thins thought, {wab labwI'}
CAN stand alone and still mean the same when context is clear.
More specifically, it can stand alone when the speaker doesn't
need to know whether you're talking about a person sending a
signal or the device used to send that signal.
If the
word {bIQ} stands alone, it is never connected to the idea of a bottle,
but {bal} is.
Because there is no double possibility as to what bIQ
means.
Compare this:
{wab labwI' vIpoQ. wab labwI' jan vIpoQ.}
I need a radio. I mean, a radio DEVICE.
As opposed to the person who transmitted sounds, who is also a wab
labwI'.
{bal vIpoQ. bIQ bal vIpoQ.}
"I need a bottle. I mean, a WATER bottle"
See the difference?
In the first sentence, you're changing head nouns to make it
clear what you're talking about. In the second sentence, you're
adding a genitive noun to clarify the sense of the head noun, but
never changing the head noun.
Now this is my serious question:
Where is the difference? And does it have a name?
These are two completely different grammatical operations, so
there is no name.
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