On 19 October 2017 at 15:51, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

On 10/19/2017 9:19 AM, De'vID wrote:

“2. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.”

cha’. yIn Hegh je Soj ‘oH ‘ej QaDqu’ghach lujqu’ghach ghap Dev ‘oH. QeD DabuSHa’be’qu’.

"It is a matter of..." is an English expression. I feel using {Soj} follows this a bit too closely. What does it *mean* to say something is a matter of life and death? Express that.

I think yIn Hegh je Soj 'oH hits it on the nose and is quite good. This isn't just an English expression; Klingon's idiomatic Soj matter, concern, affair is exactly this.

I think this example illustrates why it's so important to translate from the original language.

The couplet in Chinese is:

死生之地，存亡之道

life-death-[possessive]-ground

exist-perish-[possessive]-road

"(It is) the ground of life and death, the road to existence and perdition."

First, I expect the translation to preserve the couplet structure of the original. That is, this pair of sentences should be expressed using a pair of sentences in Klingon, such that they have identical grammatical structure and parallel nouns (life/exist, death/perish, ground/road).

Second, the English translation already loses the ground/road parallel of the original (matter of/road to vs. ground of/road to). A road is something which sits on the ground, and allows movement on the ground. "Road" also means "path" (in the abstract sense of a course of action), while "ground" also means "basis" (something which is a support of or necessary condition for something else). The phrase "a matter of life and death" is a familiar English expression (it even has a dictionary entry: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/matter-of-life-and-death--a ). It doesn't merely mean "the subject under consideration involves life and death", it means "this is an issue of urgency".

The English translator has decided to be a little loose with the translation here, and used an English phrase with a built-in meaning already known to an English-speaking audience, but which isn't a literal translation of the Chinese. This is fine; it's a matter of aesthetics. But the Klingon {Soj} is too literal a translation of the English. It says that life and death is the issue under consideration, but doesn't carry the sense of urgency of the English, nor the original meaning of the Chinese. The meaning here isn't merely that war is a topic which concerns life and death, it's that it is a topic which is of *fundamental* (in the Chinese) or *urgent* (in the given English translation) importance when dealing with life and death, and that sense is (in my view) missing in {Soj}.

But anyway, translation requires an understanding of both the source and target languages, which is a reason why translation isn't a good way to learn a language.

De'vID