What do you mean by saying "untied ideas ?"

Sometimes you can say two separate things, but you want to tie them together to make them more closely related. For instance, in Klingon, we have a canonical utterance: targhlIj yIngagh! yIruch! Go mate with your targ! This is not expressing two unrelated ideas; it's combining two closely related ideas. You're not being commanded just to proceed; you're being commanded to proceed on some predefined activity — defined in the previous command.

There's no formula for this; you have to figure out how closely related your ideas are for each instance.

When you say Daj 'ej Huj, you're giving equal weight to how interesting and how strange the subject is. When you say Daj; Huj je, you're giving precedence to how interesting the subject is; being strange is almost an afterthought. To me, Daj 'ej Huj je gives the same precedence to Daj, leaving Huj as an afterthought. It's interesting. Oh, yes, it's also strange.

There's an expression in English: also-ran. It's a noun used to indicate a lesser competitor. They ran/competed/tried too, but they failed to achieve as much as the winner(s). An also-ran is a mildly pathetic figure. Logically it might seem like you could use the word to point to anyone else who "also ran," with equal importance, but it doesn't mean that. The also is a minimizer at the same time it joined the also-ran with the winner. This is an example of how the word also can affect precedence. (I don't mean to suggest that using je necessarily means a lesser precedence. Just that it doesn't, to me, seem to have the same power as 'ej.)

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