On Dec 8, 2018, at 12:53, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:

There is one additional example, but it's from paq'batlh, which i) is poetry*, ii) is adapted from an older form of the language* and iii) contains quite a lot of irregularities**.


Doy'choH cha' porgh

'oy' cha' porgh

'ach Hat'chu' 'e' luneH neH tIqDu'Daj



Ah, thanks. And thank you, SuStel, for the ST VI example. I agree that the 'e' in Azetbur’s sentence does not apply to the question of explicit 'e' with neH and SAO. I wonder if maybe I read the example in p'b and perhaps It informed my assumption that 'e' with neH is okay. It’s also entirely possible that I just made it up in my head.

On the subject of it paq'batlh, I’ve long wondered whether the thing that looks like a qaghwI' is really a qaghwI' in the middle of paq'batlh, paq'yav, paq'raD, and paq'QIH. Like, if one were to write paq'batlh in pIqaD, would there be a qaghwI' between paq and batlh?

(paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 7)


* For the most part, though, the book is grammatically correct by "modern" tlhIngan Hol standards, or tries to be, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. It is handy to keep in mind in case one wants to retcon out mistakes, though.


** This is probably the bigger concern. There was a lot of text, and the proof-readers only had a very limited time to look at it.


//loghaD


From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>
Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2018 19:47
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Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {neH} with SAO and indefinite subject
 
On 12/8/2018 1:42 PM, Daniel Dadap wrote:

(The sole known exception is not a good data point, as it involves one Klingon using another Klingon's sentence as the first sentence in a sentence-as-object construction. It may be that in such a case not having something there is too much. We don't know how this exception works, so it's dangerous to base our understanding on it.


Out of curiosity, do you mind quoting that exception?

In Star Trek VI, one of the military officers says something, then Azetbur says 'e' neHbe' vavoy That isn't what my father wanted, literally, Daddy didn't want that.

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