Are we certain that {toyDal} and {to'} form one of these irregular singular-plural pairs, like {jengva'} and {ngop}?


It seems to me that the concept of "tactics" is potentially distinct from simply the plural form of "tactic"; it is more of a framework or a field of study.


{to' qelDI' SIj martaq 'ach 'ejyo' toyDalmey HaDta' ghawran. vaj Qu'vamvaD nIv ghawran.}


//loghaD


From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2026 12:12:43 PM
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Cc: Lieven L. Litaer
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: toyDal (noun)
 
Am 21.05.2026 um 17:56 schrieb SuStel via tlhIngan-Hol:
> I don't see why we don't call these "inherently singular nouns."

Because that is a term that was not used in TKD.

Section 3.3.2 says:
"Finally, some nouns in Klingon are inherently or always plural in
meaning, [...]"

and then:

"The singular counterparts of such words are utterly distinct:"
and
"The singular forms may take the {-mey} suffix, [...]"

Going further (I might be wrong,  I am not a linguist), the word
"inherently plural" roughly means that a noun includes a plural meaning
(in Klingon, not in English). Reversing this definition would mean that
a "inherently singular noun" is ONLY singular. But TKD clearly says that
those singular forms can take plural suffixes, and also "The plural
suffixes are not necessary when a number is used."

So, short: an inherent plural noun is ALWAYS plural. Its singular form
CAN be singular but also plural. That's why it's not an "inherently
singular noun".

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> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: toyDal (noun)
>
> Klingon word: toyDal
> Part of speech: noun
> Definition: tactic
> Source: qep'a' 28 [2021]
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> This is the singular form of an inherently plural noun.
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