qaHonbe’. qavoqbej, ‘ach <<yIvoq ‘ach yI’ol>> net Sov.

charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan

rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

On Jan 24, 2020, at 9:51 AM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
The discussion of {rIntaH} from TKD:
The meaning of {-ta'} can also be indicated syntactically. That is, instead of using the suffix {-ta',} a special verbal construction can follow the verb which indicates the accomplished action. This special verb is {rIn} <be finished, accomplished,> and in this usage it always takes the suffix {-taH} <continuous> (see below) and the third-person pronominal prefix (0).

The discussion of {qar'a'} from TKDa:
This word either follows the verb or else comes at the end of the sentence. Both of the following are correct:

{De' Sov qar'a' HoD}
{De' Sov HoD qar'a'} <The captain knows the information, right?> ({De'} <information,> {Sov} <he/she knows it,> {HoD} <captain>)

MO uses "follow the verb" to refer to the placement of both constructions. In the {qar'a'} example {De' Sov qar'a' HoD}, the special construction described as following the verb comes before the explicit subject {HoD}. It seems reasonable to assume that when MO speaks of a special verb construction following the verb, he means right after the verb and before the subject. {rIntaH} is a special verb construction that follows the verb, so I conclude it would go before the subject: {qa'vam De' je' rIntaH valQIS.}
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:27 AM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 1/24/2020 9:00 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Personally, I'd prefer placing it right after the noun, because it
*feels* more direct, and the meaning of the sentence becomes
immediately clearer, especially in cases where we don't have a
"simple" subject, but a more "complex" one, as for instance noun-noun
constructions, {-meH}ed nouns, {-bogh}ed nouns, or even an entire
{-bogh} phrase with it's own subject and object.

Now, one could perhaps argue that klingons wouldn't use "complex" subjects..
Except we see plenty of such subjects. Two examples:

Noun-noun, relative clause with subject and object, apposition, title: yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e' wuqta' cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh janluq pIqarD HoD (Skybox S25)

Purpose clause: jIpaSqu'mo' narghpu' qaSuchmeH 'eb (newsgroup)

If one argues that Klingons don't use these constructions in subjects, one is wrong.
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SuStel
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