I agree with you that just knowing how to speak a language doesn't make one an expert.

However, there might be more experts than you think. I don't remember seeing you a lot
in Discord or in weekly meetings (qa'vIn qep, jawmeH qep). I also know people who are
very interested in Klingon, but don't for some reason want to use social media and
only participate in local face-to-face meetings. I just yesterday started using this mailing
list and it seems that people here do not represent the larger community at all.

If a committee was to be created, I also think it should have "non-expert" members who
use the language a lot. There are several groups that I think should have possibility
to influence the language. For example, in the qep'a' the LGBT vocabulary working group
had several members with lower KLCP levels, but they are the people who need that
vocabulary most, so it is fair that they can participate. Another group is non-English
speakers like you and me. I think having people with different mother tongues would
be beneficial for trying to avoid anglicisms and other biases.

I would support some kind of democratic process for electing the committee members.
What I fear the most is that either an outside party like Paramount/CBS decides the fate
of the language, or that a small clique of friends proclaims to be in charge now and the
rest of the community is left without representation. Of course this democratic process
should take in to account the level of expertness.

Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio
https://klingonia.fi


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On Wednesday, December 22nd, 2021 at 13.51, mayqel qunen'oS mihkoun@gmail.com wrote:

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If there is a concept in the klingon speaking community which is

systematically misunderstood and misapplied, it is the concept of an

"expert". So let's make something clear.

The fact that you've translated subtitles doesn't make you an expert.

The fact that you've translated whole texts doesn't make you an expert.

The fact that you've worked on a klingon learning app doesn't make you

an expert.

All these can serve to dazzle beginners in facebook, but again

dazzling beginners in facebook doesn't make you an expert. At best

you're fluent. But there's an abyss separating fluency from being an

expert. I speak greek fluently, but I'm not an expert on the greek

language.

An expert isn't just someone who's fluent; an expert is someone with a

deeper insight/understanding of how things work. An expert is someone

able to answer the hard questions. And it's really sad to see so many

worshiping people who have never answered a difficult question.

As long as I can remember, the only two people who have demonstrated

the ability to answer questions which no one else couldn't are SuStel

and De'vID, and they are the only ones who I consider to be experts in

the true sense of the word.

Of course, someone can say.. "There are definitely people of similar

skill, but they are inactive".

True; there may be people of SuStel/De'vID skill in the community who

for whatever reason choose to remain silent for years. But now I ask..

If for whatever reason you chose to remain silent for years, although

you are a true expert, then why would you be willing to become active

again as a member of some "klingon language committee"? Did your

life's circumstances just happen to change, on the day okrand chose to

retire, allowing you to grace us with your immense grasp of the

language? Or is it something else that you seek?

And this now is the important question.. "What will be the true

purposes of some of the people who will try to replace okrand"?

But this is the subject of the next post

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tlhIngan nughDaq wa' mu' yajHa'lu'chu'bogh 'ej lo'Ha'lu'chu'bogh

tu'lu'chugh, {po'wI'} 'oH mu'vam'e'. vaj vay' vIQIjnISchu':

SoHvaD po'wI' nImojmoHbe' mughbogh per DachenmoHpu'.

SoHvaD po'wI' nImojmoHbe' tlhIngan Hol ghItlh Damughpu'bogh.

SoHvaD po'wI' nImojmoHbe' tlhIngan Hol ghojmeH nIqHom mu'tlhegh Daqonpu'bogh.

Doj Hochvam 'e' luHarlaH facebook taghwI', 'a vabDot qaSchugh ghu'vam,

po'wI' Damojpu'be'. chaq Hol Dalo'laHchu', 'a pImchu' {Hol

lo'laHchu'wI'} {po'wI'} je. 'elaDya' Hol vIjatlhchu', 'a 'elaDya' Hol

po'wI' jIHbe'bej.

vabDot Hol lo'laHchu'chugh vay', ghaHvaD po'wI' mojmoHbe' ngoDvam.

po'wI'na' ghaHmeH vay''e', Hol pab yajchu' net poQ, 'ej vay' Qatlh

yajmeH nuv, gheltaHvIS nuvvam, nuvvamvaD janglaHchu' po'wI'vam net

pIH. 'a vay' Qatlh luyajmeH 'op, gheltaHvIS 'opvam, not janglaHpu'

latlhpu', 'ej Do'Ha' latlhpu'vam QejqangtaH 'op.

qaStaHvIS poH Hoch vIqawlaHbogh, Qatlhbogh pab Sojmey DIghlaH cha' nuv

neH: SuStel De'vID je. pab Soj Qatlh DIghlaH pagh latlh. 'ej SuStelvaD

De'vIDvaD je neH po'wI'pu'na' vIDam.

'a DaH chaq jatlhqang vay': < SuStel De'vID je laH lughajbogh latlh

tu'lu' je, 'a jeSbe' nuvpu'vam. >

teH; chaq tlhIngan jatlhwI' nughDaq SuStel De'vID je laH lu'aghlaHbogh

nuv tu'lu', 'ej nuvpu'vam jeSqangbe'moH vay' Sovbe'lu'bogh. 'a DaH

jIghel:

< po'wI'na' SoH, 'ej qaStaHvIS DIS law'qu', bItamtaH 'e' DawIv; maj.

qatlh pay' bIchoHpu'? hmm? qatlh pay' tlhIngan Hol yejDaq

bIjeSqangchoHpu'? pajpu'DI' 'oqranD, ngugh choHchu'pu''a' yInlIj

ghu'mey? pajpu'DI' 'oqranD, ngugh maHvaD Sov'a'lIj DabonqangchoHpu'?

..pagh qaS'a' pImchu'bogh vay'? >

'ej DaH potlhchu'bogh vay' wIghojmeH, maghelnIS: < nuq bIH 'oqranD

lugheSbogh 'op nuv ngoQna''e'? >

'a QIn vebDaq Sojvam vIDIgh.



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