SuStel:
> Is this not just a retread of the question
> of whether a reflexive verb can have an
> object?

jISovbe'.. tameywIj ngo' vInuDpu', 'ej {-'eghmoH} lubopbogh 'op QIn vIleghpu'.

'a 'ovmay {-'eghmoH} je bopbogh pagh QIn vISamlaHpu'.

vaj mu'tlhegh veb vIlaDtaHvIS:

quv luHutlh'eghmoHpu' romuluSngan
the romulans caused themselves to lack honor

'ej mu'tlheghvammo' jISIvtaHvIS < lugh'a' ? muj'a' ? >

jIjanglaHbe'..

~ Qa'yIn