On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 15:21, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

Hooray! It's now perfectly fine to say bIvoqbe' 'ej muSuj 'e'! Because Okrand said breaking rules is acceptable, and we all KNOW what the sentence means!

That's obviously not what Okrand means. He even wrote a section in KGT on intentional ungrammaticality.

And now we can say qatlh ghaH DaHoHpu' 'e' vISov I know why you killed him, because c'mon, we all KNOW what it means.

And OF COURSE we can say chenmoH Da'oy' jIH, because it's completely obviously what that means. Anyone who couldn't understand THAT one has got to be brain-damaged.

Is this supposed to mean something? If it was intended as an actual example of someone breaking the rules of Klingon but in a way which is easy for someone else to decipher, I'm afraid I don't know what the English translation of that sentence is supposed to be.

A much better example is {SoS jIH batlh SoH}, which was actually used on the TNG episode "The Bonding", and obviously contrary to how Okrand recommends to approach Klingon grammar despite being very easy to reconstruct the intended meaning.

(Or maybe, just maybe, he just means that we should look at Klingon samples in their proper contexts, that what he writes shouldn't be analyzed as perfect and completely normative text. A Skybox card is just a Skybox card, not an Officially Sanctioned Representative of Klingon Grammar.)

De'vID