On 28 September 2017 at 01:08, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:

I also don't don't really think that reason (1) holds up, considering {wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran} is explicitly stated not to be a toast, in contrast with {wo' ghawran DevtaHjaj}.

It's also worth noting that paq'batlh contains two similar sentences (one of which is repeated three times). I'm generally very suspicious towards paq'batlh, in part because it is meant to be an old and poetic text, but mostly because we know it contains a lot of oddities.

The sentences are listed here:

http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PaqbatlhNewRules#A_2._Verb_45suffix_7_43_jaj

It's also worth noting that every exception has been with {-taH}, and never with {-pu'}, {-ta'}, or {-lI'}.

Can I say {wo' DevlI'jaj ghawran}, if I don't like him? :-)

(This reminds me of the bumper stickers which say "Pray for [some politician] - Psalm 109:8". That verse says "Let his days be few, and let another take his office".)

De'vID