SuStel:> But in your example you have the same entity
> as the causer and the done upon, which is not
> one of the times you use a reflexive suffix. So
> your instincts are correct.
So, this means that if we have a transitive verb on which we place the {-moH}, then:
a. this verb can't have the causer as subject and the done upon as object
b. we can't use the {-'egh}/{-chuq} on this verb in a sentence, such as the "the vulcans caused the federation to accept them"
So, we can't express the intended meaning in the way {*yadda*vaD X *verb*moH X}, and we need to recast.
Right ?
I wish you wouldn't try to put what I say into absolute formulas. I'm not declaring a rule; I'm analyzing what seems to happen in these sorts of sentences and drawing a conclusion. And it seems to me that the reflexive suffixes apply when a doer is also the done-to, and when a causer is also the made-to-do, and for no other combination.
In {YvaD X VmoH X}, X is the causer and the done-to, which isn't
one of those combinations that I think requires a reflexive
suffix. It seems a correct construction.
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