<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp9a2c6407yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br><div id="ydp9a2c6407yahoo_quoted_3920682428" class="ydp9a2c6407yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr">>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:39:50 -0400<br></div><div dir="ltr">>From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <<a href="mailto:mark@kli.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mark@kli.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>To: <a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">>Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] More puns<br></div><div dir="ltr">>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:30fbe505-0976-4ccf-a521-a6e6d632de60@kli.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">30fbe505-0976-4ccf-a521-a6e6d632de60@kli.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>Not to dispute your analysis necessarily...<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>On 7/21/25 9:26 PM, James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> pa'nItlh (aisle): "Clean up" backwards. As in the PA announcement: <br></div><div dir="ltr">>> "Josh, clean up aisle 24!"<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>I thought of this more as "room-finger"; an aisle being sort of a long <br></div><div dir="ltr">>extended room/empty space (but that would be a hallway?)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I didn't even think of "room-finger"! The rightmost column on the wiki qep'a' 2025 wordlist, though, says it's new instead of combined. There are a number of errors in that column, though.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> poH (session, shift): "Hop"-ing from one employee's shift to another.<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>I feel this is a coincidence, since the other meaning of "poH" (time) is <br></div><div dir="ltr">>perfectly sensible here, and this is just informing us that the meaning <br></div><div dir="ltr">>extends to this.<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>> teb (compensate, monetarily): "Bet" backwards.<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>Same with this.? The ordinary meaning "fill" makes sense as a metaphoric <br></div><div dir="ltr">>use for compensation.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">That makes sense.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> 'abched (vitamin): Vitamins A, B, C, D, and E.<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>Yeah, that was so obvious even I noticed it.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">What exactly do you mean by "even I"? Are you saying that you're usually unsuccessful at noticing puns in Klingon words?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">>> 'erQen (phrase): "Phrase" os a homophone of "frays". *Qen* means to be <br></div><div dir="ltr">>> naked, like a frayed object. "Er" is the German word for "he", which <br></div><div dir="ltr">>> suggests that it's the form of a verb you'd use with "he", i.e. the <br></div><div dir="ltr">>> third person singular present. Like adding -s onto "fray". Does this <br></div><div dir="ltr">>> sound convincing?<br></div><div dir="ltr">>></div><div dir="ltr">>Not particularly, but it doesn't have to be.? There doesn't *have* to be <br></div><div dir="ltr">>a pun basis for every word, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to find <br></div><div dir="ltr">>one.? Even if what you find is totally not what Okrand had in mind and <br></div><div dir="ltr">>is purely a figment of your imagination, it can still be a useful <br></div><div dir="ltr">>mnemonic, if it works for you.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Food for thought.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>ngel'aH = peasant, partly xifan hol from "fellah" (Arabic word for a<br></div><div dir="ltr">>peasant)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I noticed that one too, when I started checking the ng- words for xifan puns, and was going to post on this mailing list about *ngel'aH*/fellah, but you beat me to it! Sharp eyes!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>From: <a href="mailto:e.t@qeylis.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">e.t@qeylis.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>qech'on -> Lithium (and/or batteries made thereof) have a high chance to <br></div><div dir="ltr">>"catch on" fire.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Wow, I didn't notice this one! Probably because if I were Okrand and creating a Klingon word based on "catch on fire", I would've spelled it *qech'an* with an A instead of *qech'on* with an O. *tamler* and such words are spelt with A, after all.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">>From: Jeremy Silver <<a href="mailto:jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">>There had to be a punny reason he didn't just use {puj}<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">+1</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I was really expecting that Okrand would simply make the word for "lithium" *puj*, based on the precedent with *cha'puj*.</div></div>
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