<html><head></head><body><div class="ydpc5dafa54yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div></div><div id="ydpc5dafa54yahoo_quoted_3781931299" class="ydpc5dafa54yahoo_quoted"><div style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr">>Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 15:59:57 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">>From: "janSIy ." <<a href="mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kenjutsuka@live.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>jatlh James Landau:<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>I was just thinking . . . if -Daq and other such noun suffixes can appear at the end of stative verbs that follow the nouns, aren't they really clitics </div><div dir="ltr">>instead of "noun suffixes"?<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>Even without that feature, it's already arguable that the type 5 noun suffixes are clitics. They don't actually modify the noun, but rather perform a </div><div dir="ltr">>syntactic purpose within the larger verb clause. The very title of the group and description in TKD imply that they are really clitics and not true </div><div dir="ltr">>affixes. None-the-less, treating them as noun suffixes that follow all the other noun suffixes makes it much easier for non-linguists and keeps the </div><div dir="ltr">>description simpler and more consistent.<br></div><div dir="ltr">></div><div dir="ltr">>If you are asking whether a linguistic description of the features of Klingon should note that these are actually clitics, then I would accept that as </div><div dir="ltr">>most likely true. If you are asking whether we should stop calling them suffixes when talking about them in the Klingonist community, then I give </div><div dir="ltr">>a very forceful, "No!"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">That makes sense, janSIy. I guess I have a definitive answer.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Meanwhile, there were two puns from the new qep'a' words that stuck out at me immediately:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">HalSIH (oil): *HISlaH*, the word for "yes", backwards. As in "Langue d'Oil".</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">reqnub (sclera): "Bunker" backwards. Archie Bunker was a White supremacist. The sclera is called the "white" of your eyes.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div></div>
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