<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Aptos;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.gmailsignatureprefix
{mso-style-name:gmail_signature_prefix;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;
mso-ligatures:none;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also (Daqturaq) *<i>d’akturak</i></span></b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">*
</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(n) (qep’a’ 2020):<br>
<br>
(qep’a’ 2020): It is not clear whether this is a native Klingon word or a borrowed Trill or Kriosian word or phrase meaning ‘ice man’, but, in any case, this is the Klingon pronunciation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Off the top of my head there’s at least one from Vulcan:
</span>{qatra’} *<b>katra</b>* or a Vulcan's disembodied living spirit. Does anyone know of any others? After the Dominion War and the Klingon involvement on Deep Space Nine and the Gamma Quadrant, I would also expect a (very) few from Bajoran and Cardassian.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The question is whether you want to distinguish between exotic words used to describe bizarre alien things from alien worlds - e.g. pizza! - or true loans absorbed and used more widely in the standard tlhIngan Hol – like {qajunqaQ). IIRC
Krios was at one time a Klingon colony or protectorate. Perhaps the word was brought back by Klingon occupation troops to the Homeworld where it caught on – like *<b>gung ho</b>* in American English.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Voragh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">______________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:34<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Lieven Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">while working on the wiki I notived something that made me wonder:<br>
<br>
There is an option to mark a word as "loanword", and also an option to mark things which are explained by Maltz as "this is a Terran thing". While editing, I noticed that basically ALL terran things are loanwords, of course.
<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">There are a few things of Terran origin which are described with purely Klingon-origin words (not using loanwords), e.g., {may'ron raS}, {Ha'DIbaH ghIH tIr ngogh je}, and of course the list of things which are {tera' X} where {X} is the
equivalent Klingon thing.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">OTOH, all loanwords probably are Terran things, most likely (except for very few in-universe things).<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Are you counting loanwords from languages other than Federation Standard? ;-) For example, {qajunpaQ} is a loanword from a language on Krios, and {ghormaghenDer} is likewise a loanword from another language. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">So my point is: Does it make sense to have these two categories? Shouldn't it be just "loanword for terran things"?<br>
<br>
I'm interested in your opinions.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Whether it makes sense to distinguish the two depends on what specifically you're trying to identify with your "loanword" and "Terran" markers. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmailsignatureprefix">-- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">De'vID<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>