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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/13/2023 10:13 PM, Will Martin via
tlhIngan-Hol wrote:<br>
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<div>It occurred to me today as an echo to the discussion about
Sentence As Object, and Krankor’s example that erred toward
accepting a question as the first sentence, that there might
actually be a case for this with certain second verbs:</div>
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<div>chay’ leSpal vIchenmoHlaH ‘e’ vISIv.</div>
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<div>Or, to rewrite Krankor’s example:</div>
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<div>chay’ Duj’a’ vIghajlaH DaH ‘e’ boSIvbe’choH.</div>
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<div>Other verbs that would naturally have a question as their
Direct Object, like {ghel} might also serve, if this proved to
be acceptable.</div>
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<div>There are no stated rules and no canon to support this. It
just makes sense…</div>
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<p>It doesn't just make sense. In English <i>I wonder how I can
make a guitar,</i> the <i>why I can make a guitar</i> part
isn't a question. The <i>how</i> is a subordinating conjunction,
and the <i>I can make a guitar</i> is a subordinate clause. There
is no question.</p>
<p>Klingon, of course, doesn't have subordinating conjunctions. None
of its subordinate clauses tell you the manner in which something
is done. There is no "just makes sense" about using the word <b>chay'</b>
here, because the <i>only</i> role that <b>chay'</b> plays is to
ask the question <i>how?</i> It is purely adverbial.<br>
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<p>The reason you think it just makes sense is that you're confusing
the adverb <i>how</i> (which asks a question about the manner in
which something is done) with the subordinating conjunction <i>how</i>
(which makes a subordinate clause tell you the manner in which
something is done).</p>
<p>Because Klingon has no subordinate clause that tells you the
manner in which something is done, you have to recast: <b>leSpal
chenmoHmeH mIw vIqel</b><i> I consider a process for making a
guitar,</i> or something like it.</p>
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