<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>I agree with the dilemma and add the additional complication that often when we get a lexicon of a foreign language, we get the word defined by the outsider perspective instead of the insider perspective. We learn as outsiders, for instance, that “Bahasa” is the name of the language used in Malaysia, while the insider definition of “Bahasa” is “language”. It’s not their word for “our language”. It’s their generic word for “language”. They hadn’t considered a need to name their language in a “proper noun” kind of way, so we did it for them.</div><div><br></div><div>We’ll never know if this effect or something like it applies to any of the words we’ve learned from Maltz. We certainly use it to stretch words when we want to talk about dogs or horses, etc. to develop our use of their language.</div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jan 30, 2023, at 7:06 AM, De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 9:01 PM Steven Boozer via tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-6698193807784474397">
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<div class="m_-6698193807784474397WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">So both {bama Hol} and {mIyama Hol} are correct, assuming they both refer to the same language. OTOH one might be a simplified official language used nation-wide
vs. an “authentic” language/dialect used regionally. Does anyone know?</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As for the country and people – why can’t they be referred to by more than one name? E.g. Russian/Soviet, American/U.S./Yank(ee), English/British/Brits, Anglo-Saxons,
Castillian/Spanish, etc. There are historical, political, bureaucratic, ethnic, and religious reasons for preferring one over the other, but most outsiders don’t know, or even care, about those reasons. (Especially imaginary aliens light years away in the
Beta Quadrant over three centuries from now.)</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Indeed, the usage of "Burma" vs. "Myanmar" is a matter of political dispute and disagreement, with the choice possibly signaling one's allegiance to certain causes. I think this is a serious pitfall of asking for vocabulary dealing with 21st century political entities, like (North and South) Korea. Presumably, these disputes have been resolved by the 23rd and 24th centuries, but Maltz can't tell us how because it would violate some kind of temporal prime directive or something (despite his somehow sending us information about the Klingon language from the future), and so he's forced to give us vocabulary which reflects the current state of affairs.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div>
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