<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I’m quite surprised that we can place a Sentence As Object between a Main Clause and its dependent clause. I saw nothing in TKD that ever suggested such a thing.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We’ve seen an example, {‘e’ neHbe’ vav’oy}? where the {‘e’} referred to an entire paragraph preceding the statement; something someone else said. So, we’ve seen {‘e’} stretch back to refer to context. I’ve never seen it encapsulate a clause as object to within the boundary of a larger sentence. I really thing that’s a remarkable stretch from anything we’ve seen. I consider that to be remarkable to consider that justified.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course, I’ve been wrong before. I just don’t feel like I’ve been proven wrong here quite yet.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 12, 2022, at 10:00 AM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="">What you’ve written is not grammatically valid. You
can’t put a Sentence As Object in the middle of a larger
sentence. The {-‘e’} always refers back to a preceding sentence,
not to an encapsulated one. One is forced to have the {-‘e’}
skip back to the previous sentence, not place the previous
sentence into the middle of the larger sentence. Like I said,
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<div class="">On Jun 11, 2022, at 3:43 PM, De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto" class="">{QuchchoH Hoch, tlhIngan Hol
ghojlu'chu' 'e' chavlu'chugh}</div>
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</blockquote><p class="">This sentence is perfectly grammatical. It consists of a main
clause (<b class="">QuchchoH Hoch</b><i class=""> everybody becomes happy</i>) and a
subordinate clause (<b class="">tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'chu' 'e' chavlu'chugh</b><i class="">
if one achieves learning Klingon perfectly</i>). The subordinate
clause in turn consists of a subordinated clause (<b class="">'e'
chavlu'chugh</b><i class=""> if one achieves that</i>) whose object
pronoun's antecedent (<b class="">tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'chu'</b><i class=""> one
learns Klingon perfectly</i>) comes just before it. That's the
rule: the antecedent of <b class="">'e'</b> or <b class="">net</b> comes
immediately before the clause containing that object.<br class="">
</p><p class=""><b class="">'e'</b> must refer to the previous independent clause, not the
phrase that immediately follows the previous full stop. Again,
when Okrand says "sentence" in TKD, this must be read as "verbal
clause." Okrand was not publishing a book as specific as you'd
like it to be.<br class="">
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