<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 16:55, D qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>> You can substitute pronouns for nouns, and you can elide pronouns<br><br>I wasn't aware of that. I thought that the thing elided was decided by context. So, just to see if I understand this correctly:<br><br>nIHIvpu' Ha'DIbaH; DaqaDpu'mo', nIHIvpu'.<br>the animals attacked you; because you provoked them they attacked you.<br><br>If I understand correctly, the elided subject of {nIHIvpu'} is they/chaH, and *not* {Ha'DIbaHmey}, right?<br></div>
</blockquote></div><div><br></div>Unless these animals are beings who can use language, the elided pronoun is {bIH}. <br clear="all"><div><br></div><div>See TKD section 6.2.1 on compound sentences. Even though that section is talking about two sentences joined with a conjunction, it's equally applicable to multiple sentences. </div><div><When the subject of both of the joined sentences is the same, the English translation may be reduced to a less choppy form, but Klingon does not allow this shortening. The pronominal prefix must be used with both verbs. [...] When a noun (as opposed to simply a verbal prefix) indicates subject and/or object, there are some options in Klingon. In its fullest form, a Klingon sentence repeats the noun [...] It is possible, however, to use pronouns rather than nouns in the second of the joined sentences. [...] If the context is clear, even the pronoun may be left out.></div><div><br></div><div>So "by the book", you're first replacing the noun with a pronoun, and then eliding the pronoun. But it's splitting hairs to insist that this isn't the same as just eliding the noun.</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div>