<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I know I’m missing the point. People write here wanting to test if a specific grammatical construction can mean what they want, and instead I tend to want to come up with a translation of what they seemed to want to express that might do a better job than the test case presented. It’s just what I do; what I’ve always done.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My issue here is that a command is a command. A commander wants you to do what the command says. There is a result the commander seeks. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You are commanding someone to examine the facts. When should they command the facts? They should do it before they accuse you. It’s like you are commanding them to accuse you, since the “before you accuse me” is just basically a time stamp placed on the command to examine the facts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In other words, it’s fine if they accuse you, so long as they examine the facts first.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But that doesn’t feel like the real meaning you have. It feels more like you are saying, “Don’t accuse me, unless you have examined the facts.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">bo’DIj nompuqna’ DaHutlhchugh, HIpumQo’!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your command perhaps should not be to examine the evidence. The command should be to not have the person accuse you, since that’s the result you want. You want them to not accuse you.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You can give them a way out of your command, if you like. If they provide evidence that you are involved in some crime or sin or behavior deserving of accusation, then, sure. Go ahead and accuse you, but if that condition isn’t met, the command is to shut the **** up.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s that Klingon preference for the thing I do so badly in English:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Get to the point.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Speak directly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What is your goal? Your mission? You want the person to not accuse you. Your roadblock against the accusation is the requirement to examine the facts (or perhaps more directly, the evidence, since that is less tainted by opinion than so-called facts can be).</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 6, 2022, at 8:39 AM, D qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Suppose I write:</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">chopumchoHpa', ngoD tIpojchu'pu'</div><div class="">before you begin to accuse me, have examined the facts</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Would it be correct?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Meaning that you need to have already examined the facts, before you start throwing accusations.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course, I could just write {chopumchoHpa', ngoDmey bopojnISchu'pu'}, but the thing I'm wondering is whether it would be right/acceptable to use aspect with imperatives.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="">-- <br class="">Dana'an<br class=""><a href="https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/" class="">https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/</a><br class="">Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ</div></div>
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