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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/27/2022 8:21 AM, D qunen'oS wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">SuStel:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">You can make a noun that participates in both a relative cause
and a purpose clause, but I don't believe you can 'ej them.
You can't say, for instance, nepbogh 'ej tojmeH which lies and for deceiving.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">But saying {nepbogh 'ej tojmeH mu'mey} isn't somehow equivalent to the {romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'} "romulan hunter-killer probe"? If the {nepbogh 'ej tojbogh mu'mey} is correct, then why would the {nepbogh 'ej tojmeH mu'mey} be any different? We just substitute one type-9 with another.</pre>
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<p>Relative clauses and purpose clauses work in entirely different
ways for entirely different purposes. It's not just a case of
saying "Eh, one type 9 suffix is just like every other!"</p>
<p>In English, there is a formal, but not always observed, rule that
when you conjoin words or phrases, they should be of like kind,
such that one could syntactically substitute for the other without
change. It's correct to say <i>if I see you and if I recognize
you</i> (two conditional clauses), but it's not correct to say <i>if
I see you and while I am eating</i> (a conditional clause and a
while-clause). It's correct to say <i>apples and pears</i> (two
nouns) but not correct to say <i>apples and happy</i> (a noun and
an adjective). And so on. In all of canon, I believe Klingon has
followed a similar rule, or at least we haven't seen a
contradiction that I can remember. So besides not being a simple
conjoining of similar type 9 verbs, trying to conjoin dissimilar
clauses like this sets off alarm bells for me.<br>
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