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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/12/2022 12:14 PM, Iikka Hauhio
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">SuStel:</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto,
Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif;display:inline !important">Klingon has no suffix
that does this. If I say<span> </span></span><b
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto,
Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif">wa'Hu' DungluQ jISoppu',</b><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto,
Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif;display:inline !important"><span> </span>there is
no built-in connotation that I ate before noon yesterday and
that the eating is relevant to what happened at noon. All
this sentence says is that yesterday at noon, I ate, and
it's being described as a completed whole from a viewpoint
just after the eating stopped. If I say<span> </span></span><b
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto,
Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif">wa'leS DungluQ jISoppu',</b><span
style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto,
Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue",
sans-serif;display:inline !important"><span> </span>I'm
saying that eating will happen tomorrow at noon, and it's
being described as a completed whole from a viewpoint just
after the eating stops.</span><br>
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<div style=""><font face="arial" color="#222222">Yes.</font></div>
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<div style=""><font face="arial" color="#222222">However, <b>-pu'</b> can
be used to tell that the action has already happened relative
to the "current time of narration".</font></div>
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<div style=""><font face="arial" color="#222222"><b>jIvem. ram
jISoppu', DaH jISopnISbe'. SIbI' yaHwIj vIghoS.</b></font></div>
<div style=""><font face="arial" color="#222222"><i>I wake up. I
ate at night, I don't need to eat now. I go directly to my
workplace.</i></font></div>
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<div style=""><font face="arial" color="#222222">I'm telling a
story using the no-suffix aspect, but in the middle of the
story I describe an event that happened before the current
time of narration using the perfective aspect.</font></div>
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<p>Yes, and you have provided the context yourself, just as I
explained in the next paragraph that you didn't quote. You did
this by starting with a "current time" narrative, then adding a
sentence with an explicit time context in the past prior to the
current time, then returning to the current time with another
explicit time context. You did all this with words that <i>aren't</i>
the verbs whose aspect is being examined. Just as I said.<br>
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