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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/7/2022 8:35 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cLx7EDz4V_k-8csee+jjO7foSbTZUyomxNu0A9xFsoufw@mail.gmail.com">I
want to say "Yesterday, because I was hungry, I ordered a pizza",
and I want to report the event not in the historical present, but
looking back on it.
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<div>There are two options:</div>
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<div>wa'Hu' jIghungmo', pItSa' vIvun<br>
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<div>wa'Hu' jIghungmo', pItSa' vIvunpu'</div>
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<div>Since I'm looking back on the event, the obvious choice must
be {wa'Hu' jIghungmo', pItSa' vIvunpu'}.</div>
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<div>But isn't it strange saying "Yesterday, because I am hungry,
I have ordered a pizza"?</div>
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<div>Is using/combining aspect with no aspect something which we
can do? Or is it that in occasions as the above, the only choice
is to report the event in the historical present?</div>
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<p>It's not strange at all. Yesterday, while a particular state was
in effect, I performed a complete action.</p>
<p>Would you have a problem with <b>wa'Hu' jIloStaHvIS, pItSa'
vIvunpu'?</b> I wouldn't. <b>ghung</b> and <b>loStaH</b> are
equally imperfective.</p>
<p>It would be weird <i>not</i> to include the <b>-pu'</b> on <b>vun,</b>
because <b>wa'Hu' pItSa' vIvun</b> implies that what you're
describing is not a complete action. It asks you to mentally
occupy a moment when the ordering happens but does not express
that the ordering was a complete act. To do this in Klingon's
equivalent of the historical present is fine, because to speak
this way is to mentally occupy moment after moment as they are
described (the way <i>paq'batlh</i> is written). To report the
action after the fact this way would be weird.</p>
<p>(Technically speaking, Klingon does not have a historical
present, because it doesn't have tense. I don't know what to call
it when Klingon does this. Historical imperfective? Narrative
mode? It's not really important; just recognize that it's not
technically historical present.)<br>
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