<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 at 17:06, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 4/5/2022 10:52 AM, Will Martin
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<blockquote type="cite">I don’t
think we should assume that {jIj} isn’t a pair of homophones, one
of which can be used adjectivally.</blockquote></div></blockquote><div>This is also effectively how I see it, even if a Klingon grammarian might see it differently.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>It's entirely possible. The example in question doesn't make it
clear one way or another. <b>woQ luSuqmeH jIjpu' chaH
romuluSngan'e' je.</b> Again, it's a bad data point, and
shouldn't be used to draw any conclusions on this matter.</p>
<p>(I'll note that the English translation, <i>work with Romulan
factions,</i> is not stative or a quality, so this sentence is
unlikely to be the source of the later <i>be cooperative</i>
gloss for <b>jIj.</b>)</p></div>
</blockquote></div><div>It might be helpful to look at the chronology of how the word was defined and used.</div><div><br></div><div>TKD (1992) has {jIj} "cooperate" in the K-E side word list. It's missing from the E-K side, which has {yeq} instead. It also has {yuQjIjQa'} "United Federation of Planets" in the K-E word list, but {yuQjIjDIvI'} in the E-K one. The K-E word list has {DIvI'} "federation, organization" (lowercase) while the E-K side has "Federation" (uppercase) as the definition for {DIvI'}, while {Qa'} is "type of animal" in the K-E side and appears listed with other animals under "animal: different types of animal" in the E-K side.</div><div><br></div><div>SkyBox card #26 (1996) has the above sentence with {jIjpu'}, translated as "work with [Romulan factions]". It's clearly not a verb of quality here.</div><div><br></div><div>KGT (1997) has {reH jIj} "always be cooperative" in the body (p.159) and {jIj} "be cooperative" in both K-E and E-K word lists.</div><div><br></div><div>Whether one treats {jIj} as two homophones, one meaning "cooperate" and one meaning "be cooperative", or as one word with two senses, in the sentence {jIjpu' chaH romuluSngan'e' je} on the SkyBox card, it's clearly being used with the "cooperate" meaning. The sentence says that they and the Romulans cooperate (with each other), not that they are being cooperative.</div><div><br></div><div>So this can't be used as an example of {-pu'} on a verb of quality. The "be cooperative" meaning didn't exist yet, whether it's considered the same word or a homophone, and even if it's the same word, the instance of its usage to which {-pu'} was applied clearly has the "cooperate" meaning. </div><div><br></div><div>I think it's clear based on what's in TKD that Okrand changed his mind several times on how to translate "United Federation of Planets" while writing TKD, before he finally settled on {DIvI'}. The introduction of {jIj} to mean "be cooperative" was probably to retrofit the meaning of {yuQjIjDIvI'/Qa'}, i.e., to give it an etymology after the fact. </div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div>