<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">Everything you wrote applies to you as well as to me. </span>I don't think we are different. There is something in the way we talk that irritates the other.</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">We both have a sense of justice and want to correct another if we think they are wrong. We both might talk about our theories as if they are facts and defend them strongly. These theories often have a lot of fuzzy and ill-defined concepts, which makes it easy for us to misunderstand each other, which makes us feel that we are misrepresented.</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Several incidents have lead to mistrust, which amplifies these problems. I'm not sure how to fix this situation. Building trust is a difficult path, but one that we need to take.</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"></div><div class="protonmail_quote">
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On Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 at 22.36, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:<br><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/5/2022 2:52 PM, Iikka Hauhio
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Why is it that
you are the only person I have problems with communicating.</div>
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<p>I'm not. I've seen you do the same things to others on Discord. A
certain moderator has told you you do the same things on Discord.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">I consider that
insulting. I never misrepresent you intentionally.</div>
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<p>You do it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I say X. You tell me I've said
X-squared. I say I didn't say X-squared, I said X. You say
X-squared is just X times itself, so how is that any different
than X-squared? I say because X means one thing and X-squared
means another. You say that X-squared is just X times itself, and
if I didn't mean X-squared, why didn't I say so, and why am I
getting angry at you when you're just trying to have a nice
discussion?</p>
<p>I'm tired of this conversation.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"> I might have
misunderstood what you have said.</div>
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<p>I don't think you misunderstood me. I think you understood me
just fine, disagreed with me, and tried to say my opinion was
wrong because you said so. Up to that point, I'm fine — you're
entitled to your opinion. I explain why I find your opinion
unconvincing — i.e., you haven't provided any evidence. You repeat
it, still without evidence, and turning my
I-don't-think-it-works-this-way-but-maybe-it-would-work-like-this
into "this cannot happen." (And before you start demanding
citations, insisting that I put together a defense of this that
you yourself wouldn't do the work to look into, this happened in
your message where you began with, "I disagree that quality verbs
cannot describe events.") And so on.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"> If this is the
case, you could explain yourself in other words.</div>
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<p>I have explained myself umpteen times already. If you are
genuinely interested in my opinions on the subject (I don't
believe you are), and you genuinely didn't understand the first
time, go back and think about it some more. People will less
linguistic training than you understood me.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"> But it seems
your mistrust is so great nothing I can do to convince you of
this.</div>
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<p>Evidence will convince me.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"> You see
malicious intent in every word I say, read them like the devil
reads the bible and find every inconsistency there is to accuse
me of. Please stop. It is rude and against the principle of
charity.</div>
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<p><b>bIqIj, pubmeH balvaD jatlh 'un.</b><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">You have a
tendency to write about your speculation like it's an
established truth.</div>
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<p>A certain Discord moderator has recently leveled the same
accusation against you multiple times.<br>
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<p>I, on the other hand, write with conviction when I have it, put
in disclaimers all over the place to make the limits of my
understanding and evidence plain, and back up my opinions with as
many known facts and qualifications as I can find. My opinions
change when I learn new things or someone brings up evidence that
I hadn't considered.</p>
<p>I, for instance, am the one who first pointed out that we lack
any convincing examples of perfective on quality verbs, but I was
also the one who brought up the <b>jIj</b> example, <i>which you
yourself mentioned in Discord the other day.</i> I hadn't
considered that, and it was good to consider it. But I also gave
my reasons for rejecting it as evidence.</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, just declared that you couldn't see why
it wouldn't work. When telling you why I don't think it works,
with all those qualifications and possibilities, with all the work
<i>I</i> did, your response was just "Here's two words that <i>I</i>
think are parallel." That's all well and good, but it ignores
everything I did in response to <i>your</i> implied question, why
couldn't it work? And it just spirals from there. <b>bI'Ich;
ghargh Darur.</b><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"> I will respond
to your messages I honestly disagree with and want to tell my
opinion of. Please do not respond me back if you have nothing
nice to say.</div>
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<p>You go right ahead. If you want to talk to me, or over me, do me
the courtesy of genuinely trying to understand what I say before
arguing against it.<br>
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