<blockquote style="border-left: 3px solid rgb(200, 200, 200); border-top-color: rgb(200, 200, 200); border-right-color: rgb(200, 200, 200); border-bottom-color: rgb(200, 200, 200); padding-left: 10px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);"><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;display:inline !important">I don't automatically take every gloss that starts with<span> </span></span><i style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif">be</i><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;display:inline !important"><span> </span>as proving a quality verb, so I'm not convinced<span> </span></span><b style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif">jIj<span> </span></b><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;display:inline !important">is one.</span><br></div></blockquote><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"></span><span style="display: inline !important;"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><b>jIj</b> is used in <b>yuQjIjDIvI' </b>etc. where it seems to be used adjectivally (Union of cooperative planets). As it's a compound we cannot be sure that its components can be used individually, but it's some evidence for <b>jIj</b> being a quality verb.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">It should be noted that the "be cooperative" meaning was given after the "cooperate" meaning. I don't see why to publish this new gloss unless the reason was to clarify that <b>jIj</b> indeed can be used as a quality verb.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">As for using perfective with the quality verbs, I don't see why they'd work any differently than other intransitive verbs. Why would <b>jIQongpu' </b><i>"I was asleep" </i>be allowed, but <b>jIQuppu' </b><i>"I was young" </i>not? Just as sleeping is a completed event, being young is also a completed event. I was young, I can look that as a completed whole.</span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"><br></span></div><div style=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio</span></div><div class="protonmail_quote">
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On Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 at 16.03, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:<br><br>
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But there's still something I'm wondering. When would it be
appropriate for us to put the {-pu'} on a quality verb? Because
-if my understanding is correct- I can't think of an occasion when
something like this would be needed. So could you write an example
where the {-pu'} would be necessary on a quality verb?</blockquote>
<p>I don't think it's a very sensible thing to do, but it might be
possible. An analogy would be using the English word <i>know</i>
in the present progressive tense. Normally, one wouldn't say <i>I
am knowing it,</i> but there might be special circumstances
where you would say it. <i>Aha! Now I'm learning it and I'm
knowing it!</i> Someone might say something like this to
deliberately make the learning and knowing parallel by forcing
both into the same tense. You might do something similar with
Klingon perfective.</p>
<p>Basically, saying things like <b>jIQuchpu'</b> and <b>SuDalpu'</b>
would sound like <i>I happied</i> and Y<i>ou boringed.</i><br>
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<div>Or perhaps does voragh know of a Ca'Non example where we have
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<p>The only possibility I'm aware of is <b>woQ luSuqmeH jIjpu' chaH
romuluSngan'e' je</b> from Skybox S26, but this is a bad data
point, because <b>jIj</b> was originally glossed as <i>cooperate</i>
and only got the further gloss of <i>be cooperative</i> after
this card was published. I don't automatically take every gloss
that starts with <i>be</i> as proving a quality verb, so I'm not
convinced <b>jIj </b>is one.</p>
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