<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I’ll just comment that text sucks as a communication medium, and the Klingon Language list has long proven this to be true. People tend to skim messages with presumptions loaded based on who sent it and any controversial phrase leaps out like a signal flare, prompting them to respond in what they honestly feel is a justified, similar heat level. Ping pong. It’s a recursive, amplifying function.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m always sorry to see it happen, especially when I’m one of the parties involved, but it still sucks to see people I respect going at each other via a medium that sucks for emotional content.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We read emotional content that isn’t really there and add some heat. They see heat and add more.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Flame.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m old enough to (sometimes, but not always) just let go of it. It’s not really that important. It passes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Justice is an artificial abstract. We sincerely believe things should be “fair”, though we don’t agree on what is fair, and it spirals to levels beneath either party.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wish you both peace and disengagement, since engagement over this history has no “fair" resolution.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 5, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Iikka Hauhio <<a href="mailto:fergusq@protonmail.com" class="">fergusq@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class="">Why is it that you are the only person I have problems with communicating. I wish to discuss this in a civilized manner, but it's impossible if you keep accusing me of dishonesty.</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class="">I consider that insulting. I never misrepresent you intentionally. I might have misunderstood what you have said. If this is the case, you could explain yourself in other words. But it seems your mistrust is so great nothing I can do to convince you of this. You see malicious intent in every word I say, read them like the devil reads the bible and find every inconsistency there is to accuse me of. Please stop. It is rude and against the principle of charity.</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class="">You have a tendency to write about your speculation like it's an established truth. I will respond to your messages I honestly disagree with and want to tell my opinion of. Please do not respond me back if you have nothing nice to say.</div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class="">Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio</div><div class="protonmail_quote">
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On Tuesday, April 5th, 2022 at 21.30, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/5/2022 2:19 PM, Iikka Hauhio
wrote:<br class="">
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<div style="" class=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;
color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">SuStel:</span></div>
<div style="" class=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;
color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">
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Helvetica, sans-serif;border-top-color:rgb(200, 200,
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200);border-bottom-color:rgb(200, 200, 200);color:rgb(102,
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; display: inline !important;" class="">for a quality,
that's weird. Again, I'm not saying it's possible, but
it's weird, and I'm still not aware of any evidence that
Klingon does it</span></div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(34, 34, 34)" class=""></span><span style="display:inline !important" class=""><br class="">
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<span style="font-family: Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(34, 34, 34)" class="">I don't
think it's weird. I've explained how such a word has a
useful meaning. I think you too see how it could have a
meaning, as you have multiple times described what it
would mean, and I agree with your analysis. It seems the
only reason you have to argue against this construct is
that it is "weird" and doesn't fit to your personal model
of how Klingon works.</span></span><br class="">
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<div style="" class=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;
color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""><br class="">
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border-top-color: rgb(200, 200, 200); border-right-color:
rgb(200, 200, 200); border-bottom-color: rgb(200, 200, 200);
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; display: inline !important;" class="">I don't think you can
answer it just by declaring a yes or a no as Iikka is doing.</span><br class="">
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color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class=""></span><span style="display: inline
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<div style="" class=""><span style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;
color: rgb(34, 34, 34);" class="">Please don't put words in my mouth.</span></div>
</blockquote><p class="">Okay. I'm not going to read further. Every time we argue, you
just project back what I've said to you, regardless of how
accurate it is. You don't bring up evidence; you just claim that
you do.</p><p class="">So you go ahead and keep misrepresenting me. Have fun.<br class="">
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