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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/5/2022 11:13 AM, Iikka Hauhio
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">I disagree that
quality verbs cannot describe events.</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">If we look at:</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>Hogh vorgh
jIQongpu'</b></div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>Hogh vorgh
jIroppu'</b></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">In both cases,
I'm looking back to two events: my sleep and my illnesss, both
of which I consider as completed wholes, without inner
structure. They were two events that happened last week.
Sleeping and being ill are both biological conditions that my
body has. Both only last for a certain period of time. Both can
be described as events. It's a grammatical feature of Klingon
that <b>ghu rop</b> is accepted and <b>ghu Qong</b> is not,
but semantically they don't differ much.</div>
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<p>Sorry, but no. Having the quality of illness is not an event in
the linguistic meaning of that term. Sleeping is. Sure, you can
describe them both as biological functions, but that's not the
linguistic meaning of the term <i>state,</i> and it's not what we
mean when we talk about <i>quality</i> in Klingon.</p>
<p>Now, I'm not saying that <b>Hogh vorgh jIroppu'</b> is
necessarily wrong. But what this says isn't that during last week
I had the quality of being sick. It says that at some point during
last week I experienced the event of being sick, and that the
entire event is described in that one sentence. But it remains
undemonstrated to me that Klingon allows being sick to be an
event, and your simply declaring it so doesn't provide any
evidence. The fact is that we have a notable lack of this in
Klingon. While that doesn't prove it can't be done, it does
prevent you from doing anything to prove it other than to declare
it to be so.</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe there's an unambigous perfective quality verb in
canon somewhere that we haven't brought up.<br>
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