<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu., Mar. 24, 2022, 20:26 nIqolay Q, <<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:33 AM De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly)<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">I knew about those two, but they're phrased differently than the {rav/'aqroS} construction. The {rav/'aqroS} construction puts the {rav} before the value of the lower bound, and is used in a larger sentence. Those two examples have {rav} at the end of the thing whose bounds are being described, and are used in a sort of standalone "label noun phrase: value noun phrase" context. They're different enough from the {rav/'aqroS} construction that I didn't think they'd work so well as supporting evidence for using half of a {rav/'aqroS} construction by itself.</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In every instance, {rav} precedes the value of the lower bound:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{[rav cha' 'uj] 'aqroS loS 'uj} (at least 2 ujes)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{[rav DaSjaj] 'aqroS buqjaj} (at least Monday, Monday at the earliest)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{QujwI' ghom [rav cha'] 'aqroS jav} (at least 2 players)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The examples in my previous email are just truncated versions of this pattern:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{Hung buv [rav patlh Hut]} (at least level 9)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{nen [rav chorgh ben]} (at least 8 years old)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The fact that a colon is placed after {rav} in some cases to indicate a label makes it *look* different, but punctuation isn't really part of the Klingon writing system. The pattern is still "(thing bounded) {rav} (lower bound value)".</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think the following sentences are grammatical, and follow the same grammar:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{rav cha' 'uj 'aqroS loS 'uj 'ab naQ} "the stick measures between 2 and 4 ujes"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{QujwI' ghom rav cha' 'aqroS jav wIpoQ} "we need a group of 2 to 6 players"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{QujwI' ghom rav cha' wIpoQ} "we need a group of at least 2 players"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">{De'vam leghlu'meH, Hung buv rav patlh Hut poQlu'} "in order for one to see this data, security classification of at least level 9 is required"</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-- </div><div dir="auto">De'vID</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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