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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/24/2022 9:40 AM, Iikka Hauhio
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">We know that you
can combine reflexive and causative suffixes. The suffixes can
be interpreted in two ways:</div>
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<li> The causative comes before the reflexive (the subject
causes themselves to do something): <b>jIQuch'eghmoH</b> <i>I
cause myself to be happy.</i></li>
<li><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span>The causative
comes after the reflexive (the subject causes someone else
to do something): <span style="font-weight: bold;">Qo'noS</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold;">tuqmey</span> <span
style="font-weight: bold;">muvchuqmoH</span> <b>qeylIS. </b><i>Kahless
united the tribes of Kronos. </i>(paq'batlh)</li>
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<div>We are interested in the second interpretation.</div>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255,
255);display:inline !important">There is no transitive verb
"be friend", so I'm not sure what verb you would attach<span> </span></span><b
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">-chuq</b><span
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline
!important"> to. Let's say we use<span> </span></span><b
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">parHa'</b><span
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline
!important">.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>parHa'chuq
HoD yaS je. </b><i>The captain and the officer like each
other.</i></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>HoD yaS je
vIparHa'chuqmoH. </b><i style="">I cause the captain and the
officer to like each other.</i></div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><i style=""><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">If you add <b>-choH
</b>or <b>-qa'</b>, you are emphasising that there is change in
state. Again, the suffixes can be interpreted in different ways
depending on context:</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>HoD yaS je
vIparHa'chuqqa'moH. </b><i>I cause again that the captain and
the officer like each other. </i>OR <i>I cause that the
captain and the other like each other again.</i></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">The correct
interpretation depends on context.</div>
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<p>The verb <b>moj</b><i> become</i> itself implies a change of
state in a way that <b>parHa'<i> </i></b><i>like</i> does not. <b>HoDvaD
yaSvaD je juppu' vImojmoH</b> does not benefit from having a
type 3 verb suffix included, because the meaning is not "change
from non-friends to friends," it is "start becoming friends" or
"resume the process of becoming friends that had been
interrupted," but does not distinguish whether the captain and
officer were previously friends before, which is what Qa'yIn wants
to know. <br>
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