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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2022 9:49 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">jIH:</div>
<div dir="auto">>Â boghmoHtaHvIS be'pu' Qanbogh Qun'e'</div>
SuStel:
<div dir="auto">> I suspect you're also imagining the be'pu'</div>
<div dir="auto">> as both the subject of boghmoHtaHvIS</div>
<div dir="auto">> and the object of Qanbogh. it can only be</div>
<div dir="auto">> one, and the other has to be an elided</div>
<div dir="auto">> chaH.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Yes, that was my intention exactly! But why can't
it be both the subject of {boghmoHtaHvIS} and the object of
{Qanbogh}? Is there any rule which forbids it?</div>
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<p>Because <b>-vIS</b> verbs don't have head nouns and can't be
turned into noun phrases the way relative clauses can.</p>
<p>Here is a phrase that CANNOT be a noun phrase: <b>boghmoHtaHvIS
be'pu'.</b> That's not a noun phrase; it's only a subordinate
clause. So since <b>boghmoHtaHvIS be'pu'</b> is not a noun
phrase, it cannot be the object of <b>Qonbogh Qun'e'.</b> If it
is not the object, it must be atttached to the relative clause as
a subordinate clause.</p>
<p>So the only question is, is <b>be'pu'</b> the subject of <b>boghmoHtaHvIS,</b>
or is it the object of <b>Qanbogh?</b></p>
<p><b>[boghmoHtaHvIS be'pu'] Qanbogh Qun'e'</b><i> god who protects
(them?), while women are giving birth</i></p>
<p><b>boghmoHtaHvIS [be'pu' Qanbogh Qun'e']</b><i> god who protects
women, while they are giving birth</i></p>
<p>The second one sounds more correct in English, but this is partly
just an effect of the order in which the nouns and pronouns
appear. It's the other way around in Klingon, so the second one
might not seem as natural as the first.<br>
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