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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to whether {yIn} “live” can take an object :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(DloraH, 1/2006): [Okrand] signed my KGT {tlhIngan yIn DayIn}. I don't remember now what he said afterwards, but I remember taking it as a hint that this was
not completely grammatical but could be said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(Okrand to charghwI', HQ 7.4 [12/1998]): For example, I've used the word {yIn} transitively. "You live a Klingon life." That's perfectly
acceptable in Klingon. It's perfectly acceptable in English, too, but it is not obvious from the short definition in the dictionary that that would be an okay thing to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">… but I couldn’t find another example however. WRT to {tIv} “enjoy” :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(Lieven 12/12/2013): [Maltz] said he has been asked before about “Merry Christmas” and “Happy New Year”. He thought they were silly things to say (and, of course,
there are no traditional Klingon ways to say these things), but he said that if you have to say “Happy New Year”, you could say {DIS chu' yItIv} or {DIS chu' DatIvjaj} or {DIS chu' botIvjaj} or the like.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree with De’vID that {SIQ} “endure” would seem *<b>le mot juste</b>* :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Live long and prosper! (RT)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> 'oy' DaSIQjaj
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May you endure the pain! (PK; a good thing to Klingons)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> yIn DayajmeH 'oy' yISIQ.
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To understand life, endure pain. (TKW)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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QIt ghaHvaD yIn Hegh je vIghojmoH ‘ej ‘oy’ SIQ ghaH <br>
And teach him life and death, the slow and painful way! (PB)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Finally note the difference between {tu’be’lu’} :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> QuvlIjDaq yIH tu'be'lu'jaj
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> May your coordinates be free of tribbles! (PK)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> vaSvamDaq tuq veng je quvvaD Heghqangbogh
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SuvwI’ tu’be’lu’’a’ <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Is there nobody in this hall prepared to die for the honor<br>
of your tribe and city? (PB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">and {tu’lu’be’} :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be'
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> There are no old warriors. (TKW)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> 'Iw HIq yap tu'lu'be'
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Sufficient bloodwine does not exist. (qep'a' 2014<br>
Secrecy Proverb)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--<br>
Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol
<b>On Behalf Of </b>De'vID<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 13:41, <<a href="mailto:luis.chaparro@web.de">luis.chaparro@web.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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'ewrop DIvI' 'oHtaH'a' 'ewrop DIvI''e'?<br>
<span style="color:#1F497D"> [ ... ]</span><br>
poH nI' bov chep wIyInpu' 'ewropngan.<br>
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As always, I would appreciate any help / correction in order to improve my Klingon. I also have four short questions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">3. Can we put other suffixes between *tu'* and *lu'* when meaning *there is/are* like in *tu'choHlu'pu'*?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Yes. {tu'lu'} is just the verb {tu'} plus the suffix {-lu'}, and (if it makes sense) verb suffixes can go in between. The only canon example I found was {QuvlIjDaq tu'be'lu'jaj} which has the rover {-be'} between
them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Also, I'm not sure that you can {yIn} a {bov chep}. I think {SIQ} is the right word, even though in English "endure" is usually used for negative experiences. Or maybe one could use {tIv}, though I don't know
if Klingons would "enjoy" a prosperous era in the meaning of {tIv}. <br clear="all">
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