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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/7/2022 7:10 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">However, we *can* say {tawDaq Sumbogh Ha'DIbaH
vIlegh}. And here we'd have two possible meanings:</div>
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<div dir="auto">(Although I'm not sure if the relative clause is
the entire {tawDaq Sumbogh Ha'DIbaH} or just the {Sumbogh
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<div dir="auto">1. "I see the animal which is near the street".
Meaning "I see an animal, and that animal is near the street".<br>
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<p>In this interpretation, the relative clause includes the <b>tawDaq.
</b>It is an <i>animal which is near the street,</i> not just an
<i>animal which is nearby.</i><br>
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<div dir="auto">2. "I see at the street the animal which is
near". Meaning "I'm at the street, and while I'm there, I see
the animal which is near". Near where? Near me (because of the
deixis crap which governs the use of {Sum} and {Hop}).</div>
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<p>In this interpretation, the relative cause does not include the <b>tawDaq.</b>
It is an <i>animal which is nearby,</i> not an <i>animal which
is near the street.</i><br>
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<div dir="auto">And I don't know why, but I get the impression
that case number 2 is an exception to the "rule" that the
subject of {Sum}/{Hop} is whatever is being near/far the
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<p>It's not a rule; it's just what the words mean. <b>tawDaq Sum
Ha'DIbaH:</b> the animal is in the state <i>be nearby,</i> and
that state occurs <i>at the street.</i> The key is understanding
that a locative tells you where the action takes place, not where
the subject is when the action takes place. Most of the time, the
subject takes place where the action is: <b>ropyaHDaq Haq HaqwI'</b><i>
A surgeon performs surgery an in infirmary,</i> but with <b>Sum</b>
and <b>Hop,</b> the meanings of the verbs make it clear that the
action of being nearby or being far away takes place where the
subject is not. It's not special grammar. It's just what the words
mean.</p>
<p>Your interpretation number 2 is not an exception. There, the
locative <b>tawDaq</b> is not the location of the being nearby;
it's the location of the seeing. The seeing, performed by you,
occurs in the street. The being nearby, performed by the animal,
occurs, by implication, at your location. At your location, the
animal is nearby. The locative is not part of the relative clause
at all.<br>
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