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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2022 7:16 PM, Iikka Hauhio
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="color: rgb(38, 42, 51); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre-wrap; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span class="font" style="font-family:SFMono-Regular, Consolas, "Liberation Mono", Menlo, monospace, monospace"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">No. Leaving out spaces is not what makes a compound noun “legitimate”. Being a common combination is what grants it its own dictionary entry. Things like {ropyaH qach} for “hospital” and {'Iw HIq} for “bloodwine” are lexicalized terms because they have a specific meaning when the words are used together, regardless of whether or not they remain separated by a space when used.</span></span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">You must have
misunderstood me. <b>'Iw HIq</b> and <b>ropyaH qach </b>are
lexicalized, I haven't denied that. Both compounds are
included in a dictionary, so they both are legitimate (this is
Okrand's definition of "legitimate").</div>
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<p>As De'vID has just pointed out, the term "compound" has a
specific meaning in TKD: it refers to complex nouns formed by
putting together two or more other nouns. <b>jolpa'</b> is a
compound; <b>'Iw HIq</b> is not.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"> My argument
was that they should be written without space: in TKD Okrand
says that legitimate copounds don't have a space.<br>
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<p>Which means that a noun-noun like <b>'Iw HIq</b> is not a
compound noun, not that it can't appear as a "legitimate" entry in
a dictionary.<br>
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BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
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text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">You're saying that
the current usage is not consistent. I completely agree. There
are examples of compound nouns I wouldn't expect to be
compounded, and examples of noun-nouns that I could easily
imagine being compounded.<br>
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color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: -apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif;
font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
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text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style:
initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">You're saying there
are possible ways to write consistently. Again, I agree. We
could make up our own rules to cover all situations. And we<span> </span><i
style="line-height: normal;">do</i><span> </span>have our
own rules: we have developed a convention whereby we do not
invent our own compounds, and any genitive nouns get a space
before their head nouns; only Okrand can invent compounds.
It's not always consistent with what Okrand has done, but as
you AND Okrand both admit, Okrand himself hasn't been
consistent.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Great that we
agree. There doesn't seem to be any dispute between us anymore.</div>
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<p>maj! I'm glad we can agree that the convention to distinguish
between compound nouns and noun-noun constructions with
punctuation is a reasonable one.<br>
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