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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2022 8:36 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Thank you fergusq and lieven for replying.
fergusq:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">'elaDya'ngan is same as 'elaDya' ngan, a noun-noun construction meaning "inhabitant of Greece"
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Initially, I thought the same. But I started wondering whether there
was this subtle difference:
{'elaDya'ngan} = someone born, raised, and living in Greece
{'elaDya' ngan} = someone living in Greece but who has come from another country
lieven:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Additionally, at qepHom 2019, Okrand said:
"{-ngan} is generally translated as "people of", but it's more generally
used to indicate a group of beings, not necessarily beings from a
particular place. "
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Seemingly/apparently this means that the opposite of what I believed
actually happens. {'elaDya'ngan} doesn't refer only to people born and
raised in Greece, but to any other inhabitant too. And this shows that
indeed there's no difference between {'elaDya'ngan} and {'elaDya'
ngan}, as fergusq previously wrote.</pre>
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<p>No, that's not what it means. He's giving some wiggle room for,
say, a <b>romuluSngan</b> who has never been to <b>romuluS, </b>but
was brought up in a Romulan colony. Or a <b>tera'ngan</b> who was
born and raised on the Moon.</p>
<p>So <b>-ngan</b> as an element of a compound noun means something
like <i>one of the group of people associated with living on/in.</i>
<b>ngan</b> as a separate word means <i>inhabitant of.</i> A
human being is a <b>tera'ngan,</b> but the human's cat is not a <b>tera'ngan,</b>
though it is a <b>tera' ngan.</b><br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">lieven:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Note that Okrand wrote is using a hyphen. That does not mean it's a
suffix per definition, but it shows that {ngan} is usually attached to
the origin of people.
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This is very important indeed. The fact that 'oqranD chose to write
{-ngan} instead of {ngan}, proves that we can freely attach it to any
country/location/etc.
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<p>No, it doesn't prove that. Okrand may just have used the hyphen
to indicate an element of a complex noun that comes at the end.
It's not automatically an indication of productivity. I happen to
think you <i>can</i> freely attach it, provided it keeps the <i>people
of</i> meaning, but that hyphen isn't proof.<br>
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